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Old June 5th, 2007, 12:33 AM   #1
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The dreaded high primer

Just got off phone with a shootin' buddy - who related how he had refilled his carry J frame ..... a 637, with his +P SD ammo - darned if I remember what make it was.

No matter - thing was when he went to test rotate cylinder, it was hanging up on one round! Not enough to jam but enough he reckoned to make for a severe increase in DA pull for that round. The primer was just high (pretty rare occurrence hopefully) - but barely enough to be easily visible at a glance, until that is the rounds were held up so as to look across case heads level.

So - struck me that it is worth inspecting about any SD ammo before charging cylinders or mags ..... just be sure all is to spec". Particularly tho rounds for revo. I have gotten to checking OAL on all rounds I keep in 226 - may seem a tad anal but hey - helps to be sure
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I'll tell you what Chris, after reading this thread and the other one few weeks back with the crushed neck of a casing, I'm paying extra special attention to all my rounds.

I usually inspect while loading, but I think I'll be paying a little more attention from now on.

Thanks for the heads up.
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Its not anal.... its damn smart.

Anyone who think inspecting their sd ammo before loading and forgetting about it won't feel that way if the SHTF and their weapon malfunctions due to somehting very preventable.

Thanks for the reminder.
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Old June 5th, 2007, 01:04 PM   #4
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Just got off phone with a shootin' buddy - who related how he had refilled his carry J frame ..... a 637, with his +P SD ammo - darned if I remember what make it was.

No matter - thing was when he went to test rotate cylinder, it was hanging up on one round! Not enough to jam but enough he reckoned to make for a severe increase in DA pull for that round. The primer was just high (pretty rare occurrence hopefully) - but barely enough to be easily visible at a glance, until that is the rounds were held up so as to look across case heads level.

So - struck me that it is worth inspecting about any SD ammo before charging cylinders or mags ..... just be sure all is to spec". Particularly tho rounds for revo. I have gotten to checking OAL on all rounds I keep in 226 - may seem a tad anal but hey - helps to be sure
Never "too prepared". After hearing a similar story from a friend having a stoppage during a match (he uses Rem JHP for just about everything, including SD) due to an oversized case he started chamber checking each round he loads in his carry mags, and so have I. Only problem is, I have noticed with Golden Sabers, there are so many per box with at least one ding in the case about halfway from the neck to the web. I don't know what causes them, but I see them mostly on .45 and .40 ammo, not so much the 9 mm. Bonded or unbonded, I bought a 50 pack of .40 Golden Saber 165 gr. bonded and found 10 of the cases had these dings. They don't affect chambering, but I haven't fired them to try to see if they'll "stick" after the case expands. They shouldn't, but I'm not taking that chance.
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Not a bad thought, especially since I carry a wheelgun.

Added to this, I recall a thread not too long ago that discussed rechambering the same carry round repeatedly (in an auto) could seat the bullet farther in and shorten the OAL.

Something else to think about for those who missed that thread.
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Not a bad thought, especially since I carry a wheelgun.

Added to this, I recall a thread not too long ago that discussed rechambering the same carry round repeatedly (in an auto) could seat the bullet farther in and shorten the OAL.

Something else to think about for those who missed that thread.
Some of the autos (like 1911s) that use the feed ramps to maintain the round in proper feeding position can do that. My 1911 did that and I wouldn't chamber a round more than once because of the setback I got with it. It was probably a fault of the mag, but I don't have the pistol any more. I do have three Berettas that I have been experimenting with observing setback; an M9, a PX4 9mm, and a 96D. None of them cause any discernible setback after 20 or more rechamberings. The setup of these pistols have the rounds feed almost directly into the chamber and barely touch the chamber throat (especially in the PX4). The Golden Sabers I carry also use a bullet with an undersized nose with a "driving band at the rear of the bullet, so the bullet doesn't really touch the rifling lands until it is fired. YMMV.
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Had that happen to me in the early stages of reloading, but I've gotten better.
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I check

It's not anal. I check all my ammo in the carry mags. I usually stand them up and compare to make sure there is no setback. I visually check them when I'm inserting them for nicks, dents, crud that sort of thing.
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I read in a PD mag a while back about weighing your carry ammo. Even the factory can miss loading powder or load a light charge.
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Even that Rocky is worth doing - because if a round should be light on powder, and assuming bullet weights close, then a discrepancy of a few grains can show - at least anyways ... a round that doesn't ''make it'' can for sure be kept aside.

I remember loading (long ago) - a batch of 9mm's .. and foolishly did not monitor the powder hopper ....... so I did not know at what point in the box of 100 I had ''gone dry".

I was reluctant to pull them all so weighed them beginning at last round loaded. The 5.5 grain discrepancy showed sufficient that once I got back to ''OK'' rounds and pulled a few of those to be sure, the end result was a 100 good rounds.
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