preachertim

I hav nt posted in a while so first of all forgive me.
Next I have a new XD in 40 caliber and I love it. What I was wondering was this whole thing on shooting lead through it. A good friend warned it was not safe. I called Springfield and asked the same ? They told me the same Mumbo jumbo about never using remanufactured ammo. They say never. But anyway that is Legal I am sure. When she got through discussing that it would void my warranty she said however the Barrel has no problems with shooting Lead. Just wondering what you may have heard, read or know about it. Thanks

ps If you know a good 165 gr load for 40 cal lead pass it along.

Chooie

Lead in an XD is perfectly fine. Your friend has probably heard the warning about lead in polygonal rifled barrels (Glock and some Kahrs, and others). The XD does not have this type of rifling, and therefore will not have an issue with it.

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P95Carry

Haven't time to check in detail but I think you'll find some data withing the main load data manuals. Could be Tubby45 might be able to point you to a published load.

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Natureboypkr

i dont recommend using lead because it fouls up your barrel faster, but that's just my opinion. Nothing beats using fresh American ammo

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fatboy97

Not sure about the XD barrel, but as far as the .40S&W loads: personally I like Titegroup, but I'm also considering working up some test loads with Unique. If you want to work up your own loads using Titegroup check their web site: http://data.hodgdon.com/

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HotGuns

If you are using the proper lube and not pushing it too hard it dosent foul any worse than factory ammo.Using lead ammo is much cheaper in the long run.

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Tubby45

Comments about gun warranty with handloads:

Every single gun company out there (except T/C Arms) tells you and prints it in their owner's manuals that firing handloads in your gun will void the warranty. Big deal. If a safety lever breaks in half was it because you used handloads? I doubt it. They are covering their butts in case some moron blows up the gun and blames the company for the loss and tries to claim it under warranty. I find that statement in the manual more of a way out for them. It is absolutely ignorant of a gun company to really believe a customer will not ever shoot one single handload from that gun. They know ammo prices too.

If your problem is ammunition related, you will be questioned as to if you used handloads or not. If not ammo related, probably not asked by the company. I'm not going to debate ethics here, but you can either tell them you were using handloads or say you were shooting factory. I will not change my opinion of you no matter the choice made if the issue comes up.

Fact is most handloaded ammo is light target ammo at 70-80% of factory ballistics. There are very few handloaders I know (I know a lot of them) that load to higher levels all the time or at least most of the time.

Enough of that boring stuff.

The 165gr lead is hard to find for 40S&W. Usually it is either 150gr or 170/175gr. Especially data wise. For an oddball weight like that, use heavier bullet data and work up slowly. Do not use 150gr data for 165gr bullets. Use 170-175-180gr and work up in charge in .2gr increments until pressure sign rears its ugly head, then back off a half grain and leave it. If you see flat primers, you are already 20% or so over max pressure.

Lyman #48
175gr lead SWC
1.125" OAL 4.0" velocities using WSP

Bullseye 4.2-5.1gr 665-812fps
W231 4.3-5.8gr 863-977fps
Universal 4.8-5.5gr 832-1006fps
Unique 4.8-5.8gr 911-1023fps
PP 5.9-6.6gr 908-998fps
AA#5 6.1-6.9gr 903-1066
HS6 7-8.2gr 940-1047fps
Blue Dot 7.3-9gr 897-1123fps

Lasercast
170gr SWC
1.135" minimum OAL 5.0" velocities using WSP

AA#5 5.5-6.1gr 926-998fps
WSL 4.3-4.7gr 969-1022fps
WAP 5.8-6.2gr 966-1025fps
HP-38 4.5-4.9gr 962-1025fps
W231 4.6-5gr 967-1043fps
Universal 4.6-5.0gr 1000-1065fps


Winchester pamphlet
170gr lead
1.135" OAL 4.0" barrel using WSP primer
WSF 6.2gr 1090fps MAX LOAD REDUCE 10% (5.6gr) TO START

I don't load 40S&W but use a ton of WSF in 10mm Auto (and 45 Auto) for lead. Very, very lead friendly. Unique and WSF are very good with lead and both meter very well.

Tubby45

A properly fitted lead bullet will not foul a bore. I shoot tens of thousands of rounds of ammo loaded with home cast lead every year and do not have any issues.

Natureboypkr

you are prob. one of the few, many guys I know from the range and I attend two different ones, told me lead bullets fouled up their guns faster. Im not saying you are wrong either.

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Danger Mouse

I was warned about lead too with my HK and Glock. Just have to clean them a bit more, but it works fine.

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