45-70 Rifle Load Help? - Page 2

Jeff F · July 6th, 2009, 10:41 AM

You could always shoot what was intended to be shot in it. Good old black powder. It's easy fill'er to the top seat a bullet and shoot it. As long as there is no gap between the powder and base of the bullet there's nothing to worry about. Also a blast to shoot.

Jmac00 · July 6th, 2009, 05:22 PM

Have you tried these guys: .45-70 Government - AmmoGuide Interactive

They have thousands of loads, for every imaginable cartridge, unless it's something exotic, like a 525 gr projectile

FHBrumb · July 6th, 2009, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmac00

Have you tried these guys: .45-70 Government - AmmoGuide Interactive

They have thousands of loads, for every imaginable cartridge, unless it's something exotic, like a 525 gr projectile

The free membership there does not give you the load data. You have to pay the membership fee to get that...

Beartooth does in fact have loads. I can't believe I didn't dig around their site before posting a question.

Quote:

Loading Data BTB-.45-525gWLNGC "Pile-Driver" in .45-70 Govt.

All loads using Starline .45-70 Govt. brass, Winchester Large Rifle Primers, Cartridge Overall Length 2.557" .

Powder Charge Wt. Gr. Velocity 22" Bbl. Velocity 20" Bbl.
AA 2495 45.0 1520 1486
IMR 4198 42.7 1612 1562
IMR 3031 52.8 1683 1621
H-4895 52.5 1820 1752
RL-7 44.3 1705 1648
IMR 4227 28.0 1443 1392
2400 24.0 1346 1283
H-322 41.0 1610 1549

You have to kinda' respace it, but here it is.

I'd think 10% less to start would still be a whompin' load...

Beartooth Bullets > Open Sight > .45-70 Pile Driver!

Jmac00 · July 6th, 2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FHBrumb

The free membership there does not give you the load data. You have to pay the membership fee to get that...

Beartooth does in fact have loads. I can't believe I didn't dig around their site before posting a question.

You have to kinda' respace it, but here it is.

I'd think 10% less to start would still be a whompin' load...

Beartooth Bullets > Open Sight > .45-70 Pile Driver!

Hence the name "Pile-Driver"

FHBrumb · July 6th, 2009, 10:20 PM

I'm liking the 4895 recipe. 1752 fps from a 20 incher leads me to believe my 18 incher would still be above 1600fps, maybe at 1650...

Geeze, 525 grain BMB at 1650... That's a T-Rex killer for sure.

I have most of a can of 4198 in the basement. Maybe that's first!

FHBrumb · August 19th, 2009, 11:55 AM

I saw their product line, and liked the Pile Driver in 525gr. I was warned by someone that is of good reputation on a board to be cautious, as they were extremely slow on delivery. When I placed my online order (maybe a week prior), I added the comment, "Please email ETA for shipping", based on the warning, and a line on their website saying there was a "variable backlog" on some products. I ordered a couple of boxes of .459 caliber Pile Driver bullets for my Marlin GG.

A week later, I recieved a phone call from Beartooth. The very polite lady said that she had not noticed my note for an email prior to shipping, so she was giving me a courtesy call to say my order was shipping today. I was already quite happy because of this effort.

She then added that MOST Marlin GGs prefer the .460 caliber, and she was curious why I chose .459? I told her it was the middle number, and I didn't know any better. She advised that unless I slugged my barrel, and knew it was a .459, I was better off taking the .460, and offered to change my order. I elected to take her advice.

I don't think I've ever gotten anything like this from an online company, and I buy stuff online all the time. My total purchase was only two boxes, about $20something each. So that means I'm not even a "Big Spender".

UPS says my bullets will get here on the 18th.

Beartooth did a good job with this customer. Unless they REALLY screw something up now, I'm sold on their company.

A couple of weeks later (the 18th), the bullets are here. Here is one 525 grain Pile Driver next to a loaded 45ACP round. It's no optical illusion, the 525 is bigger!! I loaded up 20 with a less than max load. Max was said to be 42.7 grains of IMR 4198, I went down to 42.0 grains. This is a compressed load already. There is no rattle at all. It should be quite a handful. Now I'm safe from all the rogue rhinos wandering about in Northeast Wisconsin!!!

Great job on you Beartooth!!!!!

Jeff F · August 19th, 2009, 07:13 PM

So have you shot any of those loads yet? Got a feeling that is going to be brutal on both ends. Good thing you won't be encountering too may rhinos, T-rexs, or whatever.

FHBrumb · August 19th, 2009, 08:19 PM

I'll try to go shoot on Sunday.

alnitak · September 14th, 2009, 10:22 AM

You should ask the question on Paco Kelly's Levergun forum. These guys know everything about leverguns, and guns in general. I think I remember a thread on the 525 gr. bullet...maybe a search would suffice.

Or, just check out this article (and the video at the end):
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/open...n_sight.htm/21

raevan · September 14th, 2009, 10:42 PM

A note of interest and somethin to think about: the above link gives the overall length of that round as 2.557, my owners manual for my 1895, says to not use a round longer then 2.55 because if it is longer it may not chamber properly when lever is cycled.

July 6th, 2009, 10:41 AM	#11
Jeff F Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Central Wyoming Posts: 293	You could always shoot what was intended to be shot in it. Good old black powder. It's easy fill'er to the top seat a bullet and shoot it. As long as there is no gap between the powder and base of the bullet there's nothing to worry about. Also a blast to shoot. __________________ "Those who would give up essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" -Benjamin Franklin- __________________________________ NRA Endowment Life Member

July 6th, 2009, 05:22 PM	#12
Jmac00 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 509	Have you tried these guys: .45-70 Government - AmmoGuide Interactive They have thousands of loads, for every imaginable cartridge, unless it's something exotic, like a 525 gr projectile __________________ 'You don't need God anymore, you have us Democrats.' - Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)

July 6th, 2009, 10:20 PM	#15
FHBrumb Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA, where else? Posts: 337	I'm liking the 4895 recipe. 1752 fps from a 20 incher leads me to believe my 18 incher would still be above 1600fps, maybe at 1650... Geeze, 525 grain BMB at 1650... That's a T-Rex killer for sure. I have most of a can of 4198 in the basement. Maybe that's first! __________________ Amendment XIV Section 1. ...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

August 19th, 2009, 11:55 AM	#16
FHBrumb Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA, where else? Posts: 337	I saw their product line, and liked the Pile Driver in 525gr. I was warned by someone that is of good reputation on a board to be cautious, as they were extremely slow on delivery. When I placed my online order (maybe a week prior), I added the comment, "Please email ETA for shipping", based on the warning, and a line on their website saying there was a "variable backlog" on some products. I ordered a couple of boxes of .459 caliber Pile Driver bullets for my Marlin GG. A week later, I recieved a phone call from Beartooth. The very polite lady said that she had not noticed my note for an email prior to shipping, so she was giving me a courtesy call to say my order was shipping today. I was already quite happy because of this effort. She then added that MOST Marlin GGs prefer the .460 caliber, and she was curious why I chose .459? I told her it was the middle number, and I didn't know any better. She advised that unless I slugged my barrel, and knew it was a .459, I was better off taking the .460, and offered to change my order. I elected to take her advice. I don't think I've ever gotten anything like this from an online company, and I buy stuff online all the time. My total purchase was only two boxes, about $20something each. So that means I'm not even a "Big Spender". UPS says my bullets will get here on the 18th. Beartooth did a good job with this customer. Unless they REALLY screw something up now, I'm sold on their company. A couple of weeks later (the 18th), the bullets are here. Here is one 525 grain Pile Driver next to a loaded 45ACP round. It's no optical illusion, the 525 is bigger!! I loaded up 20 with a less than max load. Max was said to be 42.7 grains of IMR 4198, I went down to 42.0 grains. This is a compressed load already. There is no rattle at all. It should be quite a handful. Now I'm safe from all the rogue rhinos wandering about in Northeast Wisconsin!!! Great job on you Beartooth!!!!! __________________ Amendment XIV Section 1. ...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

August 19th, 2009, 07:13 PM	#17
Jeff F Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Central Wyoming Posts: 293	So have you shot any of those loads yet? Got a feeling that is going to be brutal on both ends. Good thing you won't be encountering too may rhinos, T-rexs, or whatever. __________________ "Those who would give up essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" -Benjamin Franklin- __________________________________ NRA Endowment Life Member

August 19th, 2009, 08:19 PM	#18
FHBrumb Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA, where else? Posts: 337	I'll try to go shoot on Sunday. __________________ Amendment XIV Section 1. ...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

September 14th, 2009, 10:22 AM	#19
alnitak Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 258	You should ask the question on Paco Kelly's Levergun forum. These guys know everything about leverguns, and guns in general. I think I remember a thread on the 525 gr. bullet...maybe a search would suffice. Or, just check out this article (and the video at the end): http://www.beartoothbullets.com/open...n_sight.htm/21

September 14th, 2009, 10:42 PM	#20
raevan VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: washington Posts: 4,771	A note of interest and somethin to think about: the above link gives the overall length of that round as 2.557, my owners manual for my 1895, says to not use a round longer then 2.55 because if it is longer it may not chamber properly when lever is cycled.

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