Atlanta Arms and Ammo Reloads and G27

Biomortis · September 29th, 2009, 04:12 PM

I have read in numerous places that it is unwise to use reloaded ammo in the Glock 27 due to part of the chamber not being reinforced. At my local range, they carry Atlanta Arms and Ammo FMJ's and nothing on the box stated they were reloads however after shooting a couple clips, I noticed there was quite a lot of soot forming on the exterior and my accuracy was not consistent. I noticed that the shells were all different manufactures from Remington to CCI to Wolf. That was my fault for not closely examining all of the ammunition prior to loading. Anyways, is there any truth to that regarding the G27?

I have stocked up on Federal FMJ's and Remington UMC JHP's since then for the bulk of my range shooting as I have limited funds. Even after a 150 round session, there was almost no fouling compared to less than 50 of the AA&A ammo. I'm guessing its lousy powder. Also, I wonder if there are any laws being broken regarding not having any disclosure regarding that they are reloads.

I have nothing against reloads as I use them in my uncle's Super Redhawk .44 all the time. I just don't want a fatal failure if I use them in the future in the G27.

2ndsupporter · September 29th, 2009, 04:21 PM

Lee Precision mentions that it is the powder and powder company (Accurate) data that you do not want to use.

Accurate says it's okay!

I would let a gun smith check it out!

This is the only time I seen this warning, although I'm not a Glock guy!

Lee Precision, Inc. Reloading Tools and Equipment: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

http://www.accuratepowder.com/Safety.htm

RoadRunner71 · September 29th, 2009, 04:41 PM

GLOCK is fairly rigid on the subject. Reloads VOID your warranty. I had a similar question regarding Zero ammo. I was never able to get a specific answer on that particular brand. I was just told that ANY reload voids the warranty.

They do not want hot-loaded ammo causing a catastrophic failure and then having it blamed on the gun.

Do what you want, but if in doubt, stick with the factory stuff.

Good luck.

Majorlk · September 29th, 2009, 05:28 PM

Every manufacturer says not to use handloads/reloads in their firearms.

It's a plausible deniability issue in case there's a problem.

There is nothing in properly reloaded ammunition that makes is any more or any less "dangerous" than factory loaded ammo.

The problem with the G27 (and other .40S&W models) was the the original barrels did not fully support the base of the cartridge and +P loads had some rather spectacular case ruptures.

This condition has long been resolved. There no reason not to use handloads/reloads in Glocks, as long as they don't violate SAAMI pressure limits.

As for the soot and so forth, some powders, particularly medium-fast flake powders such as Unique, are dirty and that is what a lot of reloaders use. Ball powders are less dirty, but there is no such thing as a perfectly "clean" powder that leaves no residue.

Ram Rod · September 29th, 2009, 05:58 PM

I had a Kb years ago with my G17 shooting Enforcer brand factory reloaded 9mm 147gr brass case, copper jacket ammunition. After that, I pulled the rest of them (several boxes).

jbs · September 29th, 2009, 06:21 PM

Checked Georgia arms ammo (40 S&W) ran thru a G22 and my beretta. The rounds thru the glock had the pregnant bulge. The beretta rounds were fine. The cases from the glock can be straightened and reloaded again but i wouldn't fire them through a glock again. If the stretched area happens to line up in the exact spot again it could blow out. Had no problem with accuracy, a little dirtier than say remington umc.

Biomortis · September 30th, 2009, 08:24 PM

I too noticed the pregnant bulges on the casings. That was my primary cause for my concern in researching this.

Majorlk · September 30th, 2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biomortis

I too noticed the pregnant bulges on the casings. That was my primary cause for my concern in researching this.

Is the Georgia Arms ammo the only one that shows a case bulge in your Glock?

Same question for jbs, please.

Blue Thunder · October 1st, 2009, 12:05 AM

Never a problem here. I always check any purchased Ammo with a Case Guage and all of my reloaded ammo. If it does not fit into the guage (lots easier than removing the barrel) shoot all of it. I also have a G-RX to resize .40S&W cases that were shot in an unsupported barrel. I use a fully supported barrel in my Glock.

Good Luck Reloading 40S&W

Biomortis · October 1st, 2009, 05:55 AM

Just for clarification, Georgia Arms and Atlanta Arms and Ammo are two different companies.

Majorlk - I honestly can't remember if the factory ammo had the bulges as well. I will save some casings this weekend and post pictures. I will shoot some Federal FMJ, Remington UMC JHP and Winchester 165 and 180 gr PDX1 JHP

It is a new G27 and according to the factory test rounds, was tested on 6/19/09 with 2 CCI rounds. There is a little bulging all the way around both casings about 2mm from the rim.

September 29th, 2009, 04:12 PM	#1
Biomortis Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 95	Atlanta Arms and Ammo Reloads and G27 I have read in numerous places that it is unwise to use reloaded ammo in the Glock 27 due to part of the chamber not being reinforced. At my local range, they carry Atlanta Arms and Ammo FMJ's and nothing on the box stated they were reloads however after shooting a couple clips, I noticed there was quite a lot of soot forming on the exterior and my accuracy was not consistent. I noticed that the shells were all different manufactures from Remington to CCI to Wolf. That was my fault for not closely examining all of the ammunition prior to loading. Anyways, is there any truth to that regarding the G27? I have stocked up on Federal FMJ's and Remington UMC JHP's since then for the bulk of my range shooting as I have limited funds. Even after a 150 round session, there was almost no fouling compared to less than 50 of the AA&A ammo. I'm guessing its lousy powder. Also, I wonder if there are any laws being broken regarding not having any disclosure regarding that they are reloads. I have nothing against reloads as I use them in my uncle's Super Redhawk .44 all the time. I just don't want a fatal failure if I use them in the future in the G27.

September 29th, 2009, 04:21 PM	#2
2ndsupporter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 629	Lee Precision mentions that it is the powder and powder company (Accurate) data that you do not want to use. Accurate says it's okay! I would let a gun smith check it out! This is the only time I seen this warning, although I'm not a Glock guy! Lee Precision, Inc. Reloading Tools and Equipment: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) http://www.accuratepowder.com/Safety.htm __________________ [One Nation Under God]

September 29th, 2009, 04:41 PM	#3
RoadRunner71 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,102	GLOCK is fairly rigid on the subject. Reloads VOID your warranty. I had a similar question regarding Zero ammo. I was never able to get a specific answer on that particular brand. I was just told that ANY reload voids the warranty. They do not want hot-loaded ammo causing a catastrophic failure and then having it blamed on the gun. Do what you want, but if in doubt, stick with the factory stuff. Good luck. __________________ "Mind own business" "Always cut cards"

September 29th, 2009, 05:28 PM	#4
Majorlk Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naugatuck, CT Posts: 839	Every manufacturer says not to use handloads/reloads in their firearms. It's a plausible deniability issue in case there's a problem. There is nothing in properly reloaded ammunition that makes is any more or any less "dangerous" than factory loaded ammo. The problem with the G27 (and other .40S&W models) was the the original barrels did not fully support the base of the cartridge and +P loads had some rather spectacular case ruptures. This condition has long been resolved. There no reason not to use handloads/reloads in Glocks, as long as they don't violate SAAMI pressure limits. As for the soot and so forth, some powders, particularly medium-fast flake powders such as Unique, are dirty and that is what a lot of reloaders use. Ball powders are less dirty, but there is no such thing as a perfectly "clean" powder that leaves no residue. __________________ An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein

September 29th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#5
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 8,807	I had a Kb years ago with my G17 shooting Enforcer brand factory reloaded 9mm 147gr brass case, copper jacket ammunition. After that, I pulled the rest of them (several boxes). __________________ RamRod-----sans remords live, eat, breathe, sleep Glock

September 29th, 2009, 06:21 PM	#6
jbs Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: FL Posts: 80	Checked Georgia arms ammo (40 S&W) ran thru a G22 and my beretta. The rounds thru the glock had the pregnant bulge. The beretta rounds were fine. The cases from the glock can be straightened and reloaded again but i wouldn't fire them through a glock again. If the stretched area happens to line up in the exact spot again it could blow out. Had no problem with accuracy, a little dirtier than say remington umc. __________________ You can get a free lunch, but it'll cost you!!

September 30th, 2009, 08:24 PM	#7
Biomortis Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 95	I too noticed the pregnant bulges on the casings. That was my primary cause for my concern in researching this.

October 1st, 2009, 12:05 AM	#9
Blue Thunder Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the Gun Room Posts: 30	AA Reloads?? Never a problem here. I always check any purchased Ammo with a Case Guage and all of my reloaded ammo. If it does not fit into the guage (lots easier than removing the barrel) shoot all of it. I also have a G-RX to resize .40S&W cases that were shot in an unsupported barrel. I use a fully supported barrel in my Glock. Good Luck Reloading 40S&W __________________ Keep it Covered and Ready Blue Thunder Certified Glock Armorer NRA Endowment Life There are NO Silver Medals for Street Combat

October 1st, 2009, 05:55 AM	#10
Biomortis Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 95	Just for clarification, Georgia Arms and Atlanta Arms and Ammo are two different companies. Majorlk - I honestly can't remember if the factory ammo had the bulges as well. I will save some casings this weekend and post pictures. I will shoot some Federal FMJ, Remington UMC JHP and Winchester 165 and 180 gr PDX1 JHP It is a new G27 and according to the factory test rounds, was tested on 6/19/09 with 2 CCI rounds. There is a little bulging all the way around both casings about 2mm from the rim.

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