Harvard says a gun ban wouldn't work.

paramedic70002 · May 2nd, 2007, 09:10 AM

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/a...EWS01/70427005

Report claims that firearms ownership is irrelevant to the homicide and violent crime rate
From the Second Amendment Foundation

The Second Amendment Foundation today said a new report by criminologists Prof. Don Kates of the United States and Prof. Gary Mauser of Canada that shows the rate of firearms ownership is irrelevant to the homicide and violent crime rate should be required reading, especially for reporters, editorial writers and elected representatives.

Appearing in the current issue of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pages 649-694), the Kates/Mauser report entitled “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence” is a detailed look at gun ownership and how it does not relate to the incidence of murder and violence. They conclude that “nations with very stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those which allow guns.”

“The Kates/Mauser research strips bare the claims by gun control proponents that America is more dangerous than other countries because of our right to keep and bear arms,” said SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. “What these two seasoned researchers have revealed is that some of the most violent countries in Europe are those with the most stringent gun laws. It seems hardly a coincidence that here in America, the highest crime rates are in places with strict gun control policies, such as Chicago and Washington, D.C. However, in areas here and abroad with high rates of gun ownership violent crime rates are lower.

“The authors note an earlier study by Kates that showed a declining murder rate over the 25-year period from 1973 to 1997, while overall gun ownership increased 103 percent and handgun ownership went up 163 percent,” he continued. “Yet during that period, the murder rate dropped 27.7 percent.”

Gottlieb said the timing of this report’s release in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy is significant due to the renewal of the gun control debate following the recent events at Virginia Tech.

“Kates and Mauser make a solid factual case against all the emotion-laden rhetoric from the gun control crowd,” Gottlieb stated. “While their research will obviously not close the debate, they’ve made a strong case against the traditional anti-gun mantra. Gun ownership is not the problem, and this new report proves it.”

The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nations oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and an amicus brief and fund for the Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right

4my son · May 2nd, 2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by paramedic70002

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/a...EWS01/70427005

Report claims that firearms ownership is irrelevant to the homicide and violent crime rate
From the Second Amendment Foundation

Quote:

The Second Amendment Foundation today said a new report by criminologists Prof. Don Kates of the United States and Prof. Gary Mauser of Canada that shows the rate of firearms ownership is irrelevant to the homicide and violent crime rate should be required reading, especially for reporters, editorial writers and elected representatives.

Hell yeah, but then you can lead a horse to water...

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Appearing in the current issue of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pages 649-694), the Kates/Mauser report entitled “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence” is a detailed look at gun ownership and how it does not relate to the incidence of murder and violence. They conclude that “nations with very stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those which allow guns.”

Not exactly front page, but hey, it validates what we have been saying all along.

I don't see the

paying any attention to it. They never have let the truth cloud there opinions before.

Janq · May 2nd, 2007, 01:40 PM

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Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence

Don B. Kates, Pacific Research Institute
Gary A. Mauser, Simon Fraser University
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Abstract

The world abounds in instruments with which people can kill each other. Is the widespread availability of one of these instruments, firearms, a crucial determinant of the incidence of murder? Or do patterns of murder and/or violent crime reflect basic socio-economic and/or cultural factors to which the mere availability of one particular form of weaponry is irrelevant?

This article examines a broad range of international data that bear on two distinct but interrelated questions: first, whether widespread firearm access is an important contributing factor in murder and/or suicide, and second, whether the introduction of laws that restrict general access to firearms has been successful in reducing violent crime, homicide or suicide. Our conclusion from the available data is that suicide, murder and violent crime rates are determined by basic social, economic and/or cultural factors with the availability of any particular one of the world’s myriad deadly instrument being irrelevant.
Recommended Citation

Don B. Kates and Gary A. Mauser, "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence" (June 6, 2006). ExpressO Preprint Series. Working Paper 1413.
http://law.bepress.com/expresso/eps/1413

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falcon1 · May 2nd, 2007, 07:57 PM

I am probably being overly optimistic...but is anyone else sensing a sea change among a lot of folks who used to be anti-gun as a default position?

gimpy · May 6th, 2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by falcon1

I am probably being overly optimistic...but is anyone else sensing a sea change among a lot of folks who used to be anti-gun as a default position?

Yes.....my wife for one.

Raider39a · May 9th, 2007, 08:00 PM

this study supports some of John Stossel's findings in his report. I wonder what the Anti's think of this report.

semper gumby.

obxned · May 9th, 2007, 09:20 PM

Anti-s don't like to be confused with the truth. This study will be ignored by them as have all such facts in the past.

produman · May 9th, 2007, 10:28 PM

As always the Anti's will ignore true facts.....

Just another example of their

ish beliefs..

May 2nd, 2007, 09:10 AM	#1
paramedic70002 Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Franklin, VA Posts: 1,803	Harvard says a gun ban wouldn't work. http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/a...EWS01/70427005 Report claims that firearms ownership is irrelevant to the homicide and violent crime rate From the Second Amendment Foundation The Second Amendment Foundation today said a new report by criminologists Prof. Don Kates of the United States and Prof. Gary Mauser of Canada that shows the rate of firearms ownership is irrelevant to the homicide and violent crime rate should be required reading, especially for reporters, editorial writers and elected representatives. Appearing in the current issue of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pages 649-694), the Kates/Mauser report entitled “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence” is a detailed look at gun ownership and how it does not relate to the incidence of murder and violence. They conclude that “nations with very stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those which allow guns.” “The Kates/Mauser research strips bare the claims by gun control proponents that America is more dangerous than other countries because of our right to keep and bear arms,” said SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. “What these two seasoned researchers have revealed is that some of the most violent countries in Europe are those with the most stringent gun laws. It seems hardly a coincidence that here in America, the highest crime rates are in places with strict gun control policies, such as Chicago and Washington, D.C. However, in areas here and abroad with high rates of gun ownership violent crime rates are lower. “The authors note an earlier study by Kates that showed a declining murder rate over the 25-year period from 1973 to 1997, while overall gun ownership increased 103 percent and handgun ownership went up 163 percent,” he continued. “Yet during that period, the murder rate dropped 27.7 percent.” Gottlieb said the timing of this report’s release in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy is significant due to the renewal of the gun control debate following the recent events at Virginia Tech. “Kates and Mauser make a solid factual case against all the emotion-laden rhetoric from the gun control crowd,” Gottlieb stated. “While their research will obviously not close the debate, they’ve made a strong case against the traditional anti-gun mantra. Gun ownership is not the problem, and this new report proves it.” The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nations oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and an amicus brief and fund for the Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right __________________ Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But... Paramedics With Guns Scare People! Last edited by paramedic70002; May 2nd, 2007 at 09:12 AM. Reason: Provide copy

May 9th, 2007, 08:00 PM	#6
Raider39a Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CT Posts: 185	this study supports some of John Stossel's findings in his report. I wonder what the Anti's think of this report. semper gumby. __________________ "embrace the suck" - our warriors in the sandbox... it implies that do the best you can in impossible conditions. "no plan survives intact upon contact with the enemy" - wisdom of the Grunts.

May 9th, 2007, 09:20 PM	#7
obxned Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OBX, NC Posts: 1,748	Anti-s don't like to be confused with the truth. This study will be ignored by them as have all such facts in the past. __________________ http://www.obxammo.com/ There is only one gun law in this country, the 2nd Amendment. All else is bureaucratic nonsense that I choose to comply with or not at my discretion. When governments make laws, they must consider the unintended consequences.

May 9th, 2007, 10:28 PM	#8
produman Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sunny,Fl Posts: 314	As always the Anti's will ignore true facts..... Just another example of their ish beliefs.. __________________ Nothing like the feel of my Glock 32 Other than my AR-15

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May 2nd, 2007, 07:57 PM	#4
falcon1 VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 4,482	I am probably being overly optimistic...but is anyone else sensing a sea change among a lot of folks who used to be anti-gun as a default position?