randytulsa2

"Haanstad claimed the law does not exempt a malfunction. He claims that it states 'any weapon that shoots more than once without manual reloading, per function of the trigger is a machinegun.' To clarify when I was on the stand, I asked him, 'Are you saying if I take my Great Granddaddy's double barrel out and I pull one trigger and both barrels go off, it's a machinegun?' He went back to … 'any weapon that shoots…'" Savage said."

Hmmm....I guess fanning a single-action revolver would make your old Peacemaker a "machine gun", too, huh?

Beware, Cowboy-Action Shooters.....

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Rob72

Yes there is and no there isn't. Bottom line, especially with an AR or HK, don't do "off-property" try-outs.

FYI, Texas forestalled the North American Trade Corridor superhighway last summer. Don't discount the NWO stuff too lightly Our darling Pres & Congress agreed on the doper-freeway, until the public outcry was too loud to be hushed.

P95Carry

I didn't notice a link to this as yet but - go get the MP3 file (approx 10Mb) ....... from JPFO - where Len Savage is interviewed.

He was there at the court a week ago and gives a report on the seeming debacle. There is a sense of ''rail-roading'' in this case - all based around (convenient) inconsistencies and abuse of power.

There should be a transcript available eventually.

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Redneck Repairs

No matter their leanings , send this to your gongresscritter , along with a polite query about just what rights do they consider preserving since the 2nd is the least of what this fella had trampled .

Gunnutty

Guys in searching this out in other forums it seems that there may have been a trigger group change that allowed for a third setting on the receiver. Before we jump to loud let's make sure we have all the info.

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Knuckledrager

I think that something is missing from that. There needs to be intent on the part of the actor. He needs to know beforehand that the weapon being transferred is capable of automatic fire for there to have been a criminal act. May there be more to this story than is being printed? I'm not grandstanding for the prosecution in this case, there just seems to be a big piece of the puzzle missing. If not, the conviction should be easily overturned on appeal.

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cphilip

That is what I read too. Seems he had a third setting, knew it, and had warned the loanee about not using it. And when set on this third setting it repeatedly would three round burst. Seems at the range where noticed by LEO's and then at BATF.

Because it was a claim of malfunction they only, eventually, charged him with illegally transferring (in this case loaning) it. And it stuck.

There may be a lot more to this than meets the eye. And much of it carelessness of the defendant.

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bobcat35

i've seen malfunctions like that on stock bushmaster rifles before. one of the security guys on biap was test fireing his semi only bushmaster M4A3 and it fired off 5 rounds on one pull. thebguy immediaty cleared the weapon and went to his superviser to report the malfunction.

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Redneck Repairs

No question this particular rifle had m16 parts . It in fact had the same m16 parts that oly arms sold ar-15s with . It had ( iirc ) an m16 trigger , hammer and safety. It did not have an autosear or a provision for one . Nor did it have an m16 bcg . The rifle as assembled was a safe semi auto that malfunctioned due to ammo ( note that 5.56 and .223 are not the same , tho mostly considered interchangeable and in a bolt gun this is fine ) . It had a brief slam fire situation on the range ( i suspect due to .223 ammo ) which was witnessed by LE who did not understand guns or care. They did their " sworn civic duty " and seized the gun , calling atf . Atf raided this fella . Atf seized about everything he owned including his computers , flash drives , dvds he sold at gunshows ect.. The atf lab fired the gun using the proper ammo and reported it is a semi auto . The case agent suggests they try it with an ammo not it was not designed for ( commercial soft primer .223 ammo ) and low and behold it again fired out of time . Now i see a tight chamber and firing pin inertia as a culprit myself lol . As many here know and some may learn one of the differences of the m16 and the ar 15 is the disconecter which holds the hammer back untill the bolt is in battery . With the ar platform putting wear aside you can assemble a rifle that will go into slamfire mode ( somewhat out of battery and at about 1200 rpm or so ) by mix and match the ar and m16 parts ( with the right ammo , and for the record most fal's with the original selector will do the same thing if your primer is soft enough ) . What concerns me more than the weapon its self and if it is or it is not a full auto is who possessed it? Does a loan of a weapon for shooting constitute a transfer ( read sale ) ? Does an accused have a right to discovery ( which by the way will become public record ) as requested ? hell the legal list alone is too long on this to enumerate , without even addressing if this is a machine gun or not ..

I tell you this tho anytime a judge is backed into a corner whereby he cannot look at evidince to see if its exculpitory or not before he rules on said evidince we are in trouble .

P7fanatic

OK?........................
Tell us what more there is to the story.

Or is it just a hunch?


Appears to me the guy has been railroaded. I
I have little doubt that as mentioned before that there was evidence that the prosecutor did not allow that would have been benificial to the defendent. Wouldn't be first time....remember johnny sutton's prosecution of the border patrol agents?

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