OPFOR

That wasn't advice, that was a purely hypothetical scenario!!!

Hey, I respect those guys that are going to try to kill a bunch of cops over this - OK, no I don't, but that's neither here nor there... You'll be dead, your family will be without you (if they survive the crossfire), and your guns will still be gone. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to kill some misguided - but probably not evil - cops at the same time. Bottom line - you lose, and you will have done a lot more to hurt gun rights than to help them...

On another note, the cops didn't just take weapons from folks in really badly hit areas, they took them from the rich folk up in the French Quarter, too. Stupid, illegal, maddening - all of that and more. Worth killing or dieing over? Not to me. This wasn't the End of Days where the entire government was trying to seize all weapons and enforce some sort of tyrannical dystopia on the world, it was an isolated incident that involved the (very) bad decisions of a few local politicians. You knew that your rights were not in danger of being taken away forever, though your life certainly was. IMO, not the time or place to go down swinging (because you will go down).

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packinnova

Agreed for the most part. That's my plan is to keep a few stashed away. Caught out in the open surrounded by M16's I may have no choice but to "temporarily" surrender arms, give a friendly wave bye, and then go and dig up the stash later to stay alive. Invaded in my home though is a different story. As far as this:
Personally, yes. No man has the right to INITIATE force against others. Make no mistake, that IS what is happening in that scenario. I will repel with whatever means necessary and as long as humanly possible in that specific situation. No man has any right to come into my domain and outright attack me without provocation. That's violating my right to life any which way you cut it.

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Kerbouchard

I don't think anybody wants to 'kill a bunch of cops over this'. I'm actually the exact opposite. Going down in a 'blaze of glory', doesn't exactly appeal to me. And taking peoples lives who are trying to do their duty, as they understand it, is definitely not part of the plan.

I'm just trying to figure out what we, as responsible gun owners, have learned from the Katrina incident. So far it seems like the answer is just to 'not put yourself in that situation'. I was hoping for something better, but I guess this isn't a very easy situation to figure out, even in hindsight.

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Kerbouchard

I think that's kind of the crux of the issue.
That option is taken away from you.
The ability to protect yourself is taken away from you, therefore you must now depend on other people to keep you safe.

OPFOR

No, it's a terrible situation. Hopefully, governments have learned something from it. Certainly, we have learned something from it - have a back up plan.

And packinnova, I understand your position, if it is some sort of break the door down invasion. By and large, however, that isn't what happened - the police knocked, asked about guns, and took what they found. They didn't initiate force (in the physical sense) against anyone, and no one's life was in danger unless they used force to resist. I know it was a bad, bad scene, and I am disgusted by the "leaders" who ordered this and by the complete lack of resistance from the cops, but I'm still not willing to kill anyone over it. The temporary infringement on my rights, while reprehensible, isn't a capital crime. TOTAL and PERMANENT infringement, on the other hand, might draw a different response.

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cdwolf

How would you no it's not total loss of rights, till after the event! I can see where 1 city loses control and all areas around that city were fine! Let's say worst case there are dozens of emp's around the world right now, that would take us back 100years, would you let them take your gun's then? Oil hit's $180.00 a barrel which we have no control over, there will be civil uprisings, and pure chaos, no fuel would you let the govt,local s.o. take them then? 3 briefcases walk across the wideopen southern border and hit NYC , LA, ATL with a real bomb, who would you let take them then? We,the gun owning public of the usa is the main reason we will never be invaded!! At what point will the sheep realizethatman in general is evil, and there are people all over this world that want to kill us!! I'm keeping my guns!!

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OPFOR

Ummm... OK.

We were talking about Katrina here, which was obviously a localized, temporary situation. Even the scenarios you described don't indicate a concerted effort by the federal government to permanently disarm the people. If it were a national incident, with nationwide confiscation, you might have an argument. If it were regionalized, then it would in all likelihood be temporary (because the rest of us would raise holy hell, like we did during Katrina). And note that I never said I would disarm, I said I wouldn't kill cops over temporary gun grabs...and I also mentioned something about a back up plan...

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jonesy_26

Wasn't there video of an old woman getting slammed to the ground in her own kitchen for showing cops an unloaded revolver because she didn't give it up right away?

Anyway you put it, its a bad situation. MI has a thinly veiled gun registration in the form of a safety inspection card, not sure if that would be used to know who has what in a gun grab. If I had ANY warning that this was happening, I would hide everything. Cops come knocking, they can look all they want. I could have left them all at my parents' house out of state last time I took the kids home for all they know. If I was caught off guard, the guns would be going out in locked cases if I had any say.

I definately would not be putting my family at risk by resisting or starting some firefight. Like others have said, you will eventually lose. Better to sort it out later with a lawyer. If I'm dead I can't tell my side of the story.

jahwarrior72

all i have to add is: i'm glad PA has no gun registration.

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mlr1m

Here it is.
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This is the video of the elderly lady.
Michael