OPFOR

Lots of tough talk. Wonder how much talking would be going on when one is looking down a few M4 barrels. Convictions are one thing, being shot in the face quite another...

Seriously, guys - HIDE SOME GUNS if you're that worried about it. Or die for nothing and prove that we ARE a bunch of cop killing lunatics...whatever.

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Kerbouchard

I don't believe you/me/us would have a chance at home, either.

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Mercalf

Believe the saying goes "Give me liberty, or give me death."

When the time comes, my blood will run of those who were tired of the government running their lives, tired of the taxation, etc. If it were on a local level, I'd get the hell out. If it were on a nationwide level - I'd recommend people not come to my door asking for anything, except help.

I will not have the ability to sail away - my back will be upon the wall of my own land. Unless of course a 2nd America is discovered, and the process starts all over :S Find it funny how America today is almost identical to Britain back then. We still have levied taxes, still have a government telling us what we can and cannot do. The only thing that's different, is that "anyone" can run for the office. Oh wait, does everyone expect to get media? Ask Ron Paul about that.

2 cents believes a revolution is about a generation, MAYBE two away.

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cdwolf

Then start a thread in my name and call me what you will!!! Disarm if you like.

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Kerbouchard

Is there anybody here from New Orleans that this happened to? I guess I probably already know that answer. The people here have chosen to be responsible for themselves, therefore probably would have evacuated and not depended on the gov't to save them.

I wasn't trying to start a fight, I just want to know if he learned a better way to handle this, then what went on down there. And I do believe something like this will happen again, probably within 10 years. I just don't know if it will be localized or national.

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uakaos

i am more than willing to die for what i believe. thats what seperates us from the others.
they want my things that bad they can deal with the Consequences.
even if it means leave a huge mess of myself all over the place for them to clean. the 2ndA is non negotiable

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dang.45

I hear & understand everything you are saying in all your above posts, and I in no way want to shoot anyone, ever. However, I draw a distinction between "staying alive" and "living my life". If I comply with a request to disarm, I may ensure my survival, at least for a little while until either those who haven't complied, or a corrupt / tyrannical government decides they wish to harm me in some way. But I have given up the ability to "live my life". For me, the trade off is not worth it. I hold human life to be precious because of the wonderful things a free man with a free mind can do. Simply ensuring my continued existence is of pretty low priority if I no longer believe I can be a "free man with a free mind".

As far as my potential actions reflecting on other gun owners - hopefully it is clear from my posts that, in the situation described, I really couldn't care less what anyone else thinks. Either I maintain my means of self-defense and continue to live free, or I don't. There may be secondary consequences to other gun owners, and if they are negative, well that would sure suck. But in that moment, "others" are none of my concern.

Finally, hiding some guns is an excellent idea. Reading this thread made me realize that that is by far the best way to deal with this possibility, presuming I'm not being asked to hand over the guns I've hidden! I actually started a thread of my own asking which guns to hide - I'd love to hear your opinions on the subject: http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...your-life.html

And of course, I'd love to hear everyone else's too...

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dunndw

People are dying for our rights every day...just on different soil. I don't think the gov would have the total backing of either LEOs or Natl Guard for a nationwide seizure. If they do...there's no America left to live in.
Then it becomes a question if you wish to live under the boot or...not. It will be a split second decision everyone in that situation will have to make. Some people will give 'em up..some people won't.

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cdwolf

A little off topic but related, I have been a manager at a building supply place for many years in central MS. The day after Katrina Even up here it was a mess. I own 3 acres and lost 3 of my very large oaks, one took out my power a full hour before my neighborhood( I was without power for 8days) I had a generator but it was hard to get fuel. We cleared as many trees off the roads as we could, and I went straight to work! We had the P.D. there to stop people from coming in we were selling truckloads of generators, tarps, flashlights, all with out power. One of my employees come up to me and asked if I would come talk to a customer up front, O.K. I get up there there is a 72 year old man, he asked if I would walk outside (it was a madhouse inside). He was on the interstate with his 75 yearold wife and 2 10lb mutts when it hit. There were dents on all 4 corners of his car, people were pushing them out of the way on the interstate! He told me that he had run out of gas and asked if i knew where to get any? I had 4 5 gallon cans in my toolbox and two of them were full. He told me he was trying to get to his daughters in St. Louis, AUG. 30th in MS it was hot and his wife didn't look good. I went to my truck and gave him the 10 gallons I had and 3 gas cans. He tried to pay me 30 times, I told him to keep his money he still had a long way to go! All the gas stations were out of gas and when a truck rolled in there was a three to four hour wait in line and most were cash only with a $50.00 max. I asked one of my P.D. friends they had their own station set up for city cars. They let him fill up and fill all three of his cans! There were shootings at gas stations for three days and fuel was only short for about 5 days and I'm 4 hours inland and it missed us! It hit Gulfport come up thru hattiesburg, and thru meridian. I had a generator for my t.v, 1 lamp, 1 fan. I seen how people act up here, They would not have gotten my guns. We had a few crew's stake out our neighborhood, but soon got the message we were not sheep and left. Let somethig happen that shut's down fuel supply for more then 5 days and see what people will do.

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OPFOR

Well, let's be clear - I have spent two years of my life actually fighting for our rights as Americans against armed enemies of our way of life. I am willing to die for our way of life, and I've put my money where my mouth is. I am NOT, however, willing to die (or kill a countryman) for a temporary infringement on those rights. I will circumvent that infringement as best I can, but at the end of the day I will not kill an American (or leave those that depend on me alone) if I believe that that my rights will be reinstated, and that the entire nation is not falling into something that no longer resembles the one I swore to defend.

There are key words here - temporary and localized. If, in some bad dystopian pulp fiction novel, the US were to federalize the Guard and go door to door locking up all gun owners and destroying all guns, well, then, you'd better believe that OPFOR would be causing some trouble, and he'd be very good at it...but that's not the case we're talking about here.

What we're talking about here is a natural disaster, a localized breakdown in civil order, an idiot mayor and his idiot police chief. I will neither kill nor die because a city official is dumb, period. I may have to go to plan B, I WILL call my lawyer when it's all over, but that's it. No one is going home in a box because of a stupid mayor in OPFOR's household.

We can talk about Red Dawn if you want, and then I might have some different answers, but in another Katrina situation I know where I stand.

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