Kerbouchard

I think it hits a tender area because no matter how much we tout our 2nd admendment 'rights' and the ability to protect our liberty and lives, I think this post goes to show that each fight/confiscation would be an individual one. I personally think most of us would give up our guns, citing that it is a local/temporary situation, and that goes against just about everything we believe in, and there isn't really a dang thing we can do about it.

And with any organization or banding together, it would be a Keresh type scenario...either way, it's a lose/lose situation.

Edited to add: I am definitely not advocating any kind of organization. Didn't want the post to come off the wrong way.

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cdwolf

We all need a secret meeting place! JD's ....Bring all you got! I would be willing to bet the national guard would have a hard time disarming this entire forum!!

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OPFOR

I've been here for 20 months. Before that, I was in Iraq. Before that, I was in Aghanistan. Before that, I was in Germany and Kyrgistan and Uzbekistan and Guatemala and Panama and Turkmenistan and Afghanistan (again), and.... Before all that, I was at Ft. Polk, and Ft. Lewis, and Ft. Benning, and... In short, I'm an American by birth, but have chosen to serve my country by serving in other countries. It gives me a different perspective (and more appreciation) for the rights we have as Americans. I'm not sure what you were trying to insinuate by that post...

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cdwolf

Nothing just wondering, and THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!! Really!!

You may be in the middle of a south american war in a day or two!

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Arisin Wind

Some people here say they will give up their guns because the situation is temporary. After whatever has happened they'll be able to get their guns back or get replacements.

That's wishful thinking.

packinnova

Agreed to an extent, but if you watch any of the video's they DID use force first in a number of cases before any of the gun owners initiated anything. The big problem was that a lot of the homeowners were dumb enough to allow them into the home in the first place. The others...like the guys in the boat, were in the process of bugging out when they were surrounded and aim was taken on them. THAT's INITIATION of Force as far as I'm concerned.

Either way...I fully admit...you catch me outside and have me surrounded with (insert long gun of choice here) I'm probably going to surrender arms...for the time being (this is what shovels and tupperware are for). I really have ABSOLUTELY NO DESIRE to get into a gun battle with ANYONE! To want something of that sort to happen is foolish at best...sick and disturbing at worst. But make no mistake...they come through the door uninvited in a survival situation with the idea that they're taking my only guaranteed means of survival...most likely we're all going to end up meeting our makers. I'm not going to give up my only means of staying alive when the roaches are running rampant.

I plan ahead for disasters and don't expect to be "forced" to evacuate if I don't want to. If there's enough foresight(ie the nice weather men come through) ahead of a major storm...I can bug out before it gets there. If not I buckle down...either way it's my choice and I'll do what I have to to stay alive with no qualms about doing what's necessary.

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foreveryoung001

I didn't think they would do what they did after Katrina, but we've all seen the video of the LEO's tackling the old lady, and we've heard the horror stories of people handing over their guns while staring down the barrel of an LEO's weapon. So, where as I would hope you are right, I just don't know about that. Soldiers especially are trained to obey orders. When the order comes, "Seize the guns!", if I were a soldier, I would have some pretty deep conflicts of interest.

If it did come down to a nationwide confiscation, I think the LEO's and National Gaurd would have their hands full with someone like the Branch Davidiens. Their resources would be spread pretty thin for quite a while. We're talking about a lot of guns in this country.

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echo5tango

the point no one seems to mention about the new orleanians who had their guns confiscated is that they did so rather willingly. the police showed up at their door, asked them if they had any firearms in the house, THEN confiscated them. what's so hard with saying "no" to the question? martial law was not declared here, so "searching" a house without a warrant would not have been done. but remember, they don't need a warrant to do anything when they have consent!

NOTE: i'm not advocating lying to the police, which is against the law in many jurisdictions. what i'm saying is simply to consider the ramifications of your actions when faced with a similar scenario.

ultimately, i'm with opfor on this (as it pertains to a katrina-like disaster) ... you're not going to win, and you're not going to be made a hero by trying to play some shoot 'em up game.

oh, and trust me, if martial law was declared and troops were sent in to confiscate weapons (aka "pacify" an area), i have a feeling a lot of the tough talk would turn into yellow liquid

echo5tango

this is perhaps the wisest statement coming out of this thread

i laugh every time i hear someone wine about not having a chance to leave new orleans ... there was plenty of warning and ample opportunity to leave. those who chose to stay did so of their own free will, and whatever became of that is theirs alone to deal with.

what the heck ever happened to personal responsibility in this country?!

Kerbouchard

echo, sorry, I didn't mean to imply I was talking about New Orleans. Rather a New Orleans type incident. How much time did Las Angeles have to evacuate before the riots? Or the New Yorkers prior to 9/11. There are definitely situations you can avoid, but there are some that you can't.

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