echo5tango

LA had time to evacuate prior to the riots ... my sister spent a week living in her horse's paddock because of it, and she lived 3 or 4 blocks from the epicenter.

as far as 9/11 is concerned ... to my knowledge no firearms were confiscated due to 9/11 (why would they, it's hard enough to get them in the first place in NY, isn't it?!).

but more importantly, you have to prepare for the most likely scenario first, and the natural disaster/katrina-like disaster is MUCH more likely than either the LA riots or 9/11.

as an aside ... i LOVE reading so-called patriot fiction just as much as the next guy here, but please remember those works are exactly that - FICTION!!!

OPFOR

I guess I'm having trouble following this logic, someone please help me out: "I'd rather definitely die than have my guns taken away, thereby slightly increasing the very, very small chance that I might die." Am I missing something here? So, far, I have found one (one) substantiated murder during Katrina (not counting the hospital patients who may or may not have been euthanized). This was in the Superdome, where guns weren't allowed anyway. This, in an affected population of several million... So, for the sake of argument, lets multiply this by a factor of 100 to account for the murders I can't find, and lets GREATLY reduce the affected population to 1,000,000 people. So, you have a 100% chance of being killed if you offer armed resistance to the police, and a .01% chance of being killed if you don't (and of course, the actual percentage is much lower, this is just to demonstrate the folly of this thinking). I can't see how armed resistance even enters the thought process, unless you really are just martyring yourself.

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Con43

Very good point. If they decide for whatever reason to confiscate your guns they are going to do it. The assets they have at there disposel are vast and they will prevail. And like one poster said you will be dead and be made out some kind of lunatic fanatic. You are not talking about fighting some outside invading enemy you are talking about killing LEO's and or military and you will lose. For those that have not seen these type of hostilities up close and in person it is easy to hypothesize what you will do but a whole different thing in reality.

Kerbouchard

I was more looking for an alternative to armed resistance and giving up my guns. The first one is fool hardy, and the second costs me a lot of money, and a lot of rifles that have a lot of sentimental value, not to mention the ability to protect myself.

In the aftermath of the Katrina disaster, have we figured out a better solution if something like this happens again, whatever the circumstances that lead up to it?

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OPFOR

Kerbouchard - for a Katrina-like situation, the short answer is NO. The longer answer is preparedness, and possibly civil disobedience. The long answer is enshrining laws that protect gun owners - even during emergencies - from the psychotic madness of elected officials, and in not electing psychotic madmen to political office (twice). The WRONG answer is armed resistance to LEOs/military.

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echo5tango

gotcha, i'm trackin with ya now

the solution, IMO, is, quite simply, to be smart! if you have an officer, or a group of officers, show up at your door asking about guns in the house, think about what you're going to tell them (and discuss that scenario with everyone else in the house so you're all on the same page). if a natural disaster looks like it's going to hit your area, evacuate! (this is especially true for those who live in an area at or below sea level.)

that's all i'm saying. if you think ahead and have a viable plan of action, you're 90% of the way there.

Kerbouchard

Opfor, I guess that's about all you can do, it's just too bad we can't choose which people get to vote. I guess I would just try my best to get a reciept, and maybe I'll consider putting some of my collectables in a safety deposit box of some sort.

Hopefully, I can just fall back on my generic answer...

This is Texas...It's different here.

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Cap'n

Well.....the illegal action taken in NO brought on lawsuits that were won in court. These lawsuits in turn caused governors, of several states, to pass legislation stating that gun confiscation would not be performed nor allowed during an emergency situation. Tennessee's governor,reluctantly, signed this into law. Reluctantly because as he stated " he disliked giving up any of the governor's powers".

But if martial law was declared, well....I think the law won't be worth the paper it's written on.

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GPS

I am originally from New Orleans, but for the last 42 years I have lived outside the city on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain in St. Tammany Parish. I agree that what the cops were doing down here in confiscating guns from citizens was bad and illegal, BUT as a former fire official, I also understand what the cops were up against down here.

First of all, when word went out that a hurricane was on the way, it seems that a large number of low-life, dirt bag gang-bangers descended on the town to wait for the power to fail so they could go on a looting spree once the burglar alarms failed. These armed thugs got trapped in the city when the levees failed. They began boat-jacking the rescuers that came in to rescue people so they could flee the city with their loot. Is it any wonder that the St. Tammany Sheriff's deputies were waiting to greet every boat that came across the lake to remove the firearms?

As was previously stated, some people were shooting at rescue boats, helicopters and foot patrols of cops. How many were bad guys, how many were people getting mad and trying to chase off boats that were washing wakes into their already flooded homes and how many were just trying to get someone's attention to come rescue them? Who knows? The cops were just aware that the whole place was turning into a free fire zone.

After a day or so of pulling people to dry land and not having anything to give them in the line of food or water or transport out of the disaster area, everything went out of control. Looting began to take place on a massive scale, only they were not just grabbing water, soft drinks and food products. They were stealing clothing, electronics, tv's, tools, generators, in short anything that wasn't nailed down and a few things that were.

With every major road and highway out of town impassible, hisonor the mayor decides that he will now issue a MANDATORY evacuation of the city. How people were supposed to leave is beyond me, but his order is being ignored by all these people who have their stuff and their guns and are wanting to stay home and protect their stuff. Also, the criminal looters are not wanting to go anywhere in a hurry either. The pickings are too good. The cops can't tell the good guys from the bad guys. Some of the cops and out of town "rescuers" are also among the bad guys. Somebody comes up with the bright idea to confiscate the weapons from the homeowners. They figure they will be more willing to leave the city when they have nothing left to defend themselves with. The cops also had many, many vacated buildings with unsecured weapons left in them. They started off grabbing these first to keep them out of the hands of looters, then they went after the guns from the occupied buildings.

Remember, signs were going up in neighborhoods with slogans like "You Loot, We Shoot", "Looters will be shot on sight" etc. Now they are worried about people mistaking their neighbors coming back to check on their property for a looter. There are already bodies of drowning victims and some washed out of the cemeteries floating all over. The whole thing was surreal. On the north shore, there was no fuel for 80 miles. Gangs were sneaking around listening for the sounds of running generators at night so they could go and try to steal it and any other goodies that might be around.

As soon as word got out that the cops were taking guns away from citizens in legal possession who had not done anything wrong, the NRA went to a judge and got an injunction to stop the confiscations. When the city got that slapped on them was the first time they pulled up short. However, the people who had their guns seized I don't think ever got their guns back, at least not in decent condition. The cops did not give receipts, would not do a serial number check to see if the claimant coming forth was the real owner, would only accept sales receipts to prove that they were the legal owners, and then wanted to run additional background checks etc. They made it extremely difficult for those people to get their guns back.

I sometimes wonder how many of those folks shooting at the police were straight up criminals and how many might have been "citizens defending their 2nd amendment rights." It didn't much matter at that point, if the cops could get a bead on them, they were mowed down. Heck, they even mowed down a few who were not shooting at them, but the cops thought they were.

Now everyone has passed laws saying, "You can't take citizens guns like that anymore." Great! Now what about a plan to prevent all the other stuff from going on? If ever there was a time when the 2nd amendment militia should have been called together, this was it. It would have been better for the cops to fan out into the neighborhoods and organize the neighbors into units for group protection and sharing of resources than it would to go door to door taking folks stuff. On the north shore, we gathered with our neighbors and people who had means cooked up and shared what was in the refrigerators and freezers so the stuff could be used before it spoiled and then we helped with going for supplies when the National Guard came in with the food, water and ice about 3 days later.

On a funny side note, we had an earlier flood down here in 1995. When they were getting ready to evacuate us, my neighbor at the time was an NOPD undercover narcotics cop. He had to look the part, with his hair half down his back, beard, etc. He comes strolling out of his house with his AR-15 in full open view, just as a squad car was passing in front of the house. The squad car comes to a screeching halt and the officer yells, "Hey you! Put that thing away!" My neighbor yells back, "It's okay, man, I'm a cop!" Uh-huh, but you sure don't look like a cop! Sometimes its hard to make out the good guys from the bad guys without a program - or a plan.

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hudsonvalley

OPFOR, what are the rules for Brazilian 'subjects', er, I mean citizens? And thanks for your service....

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