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Kerbouchard thanks for the kind words, I knew that is what you were getting at. It is scary.

Realize today the military adn police and NG trains for URBAN WARFARE. Which is training to counter an Indian/Guerrilla style of fighting of hit and run, this is something OPFOR should know:) Thanks for your service OPFOR. This is what special forces are trained to do, this how our forefathers fought, they learned it from the French and Indian war. Anyways, with that organization, surveillance, and weaponry, that our govt has today, they can counter a resistance which has to fight that way due to less numbers. We would have to be united and almost like a resistance army to have any chance, but it would have to astronomical in size organization and weapons; but to do that we have to have tons of people united against OUR govt. Colonies had it a bit better the water separation was alot to make Britain out to be evil. We don't have communication delays!

Just look at how they do stuff now, that is how they will do guns. The smoking ban in AZ is an example. They pulled it over our heads and as soon as we blinked it was there (not the best example I know). (I am not saying I am for or against it) just saying that is what happened. Ammo coding bills were secretly passed around too, recently. They will secretly try to pass it and like the smoking ban was rejected tons of times and then all of sudden passed, it only takes one time folks. Also, the stupid laws the governors signed (no grabbing of arms in crisis or at anytime), while I respect them and say great, the politicians will trod all over that, all it is, is a piece of paper. The sad part is there are enough LEOs, NG etc that will take guns away because they do not know the laws or aren't interested gun owners. That erodes our core support.

They could do this without a national crisis or disaster. That is what is scary, now what if there is a disaster.

Everyone is worried about themselves, here and now. And so they will take guns locally, locally, locally, and soon its national because there is nothing left.

And we cant do a da***d thing about it.

Now the revolutionary war stuff was great, people that study history (i am one) never look at it back then. If we compare now to back then we can't. They did the impossible, the british govt had just like now a terrible advantage. We have to look at how we can do the impossible, without looking like kooks, anti-govt, neo-nazi etc. We would have to make popular support erode for that govt in power, which is possible with high casualties, and an effective resistance, but we don't have that now, and if the govt does one thing and says another they could keep popular support!

There is always a way. No govt is entirely safe. But our current govt/politicians/and media plays on emotions and that is what any good propagandist did, the most famous was Hitler. Hitler could exterminate a whole huge section of his economy and population, so they can take our guns. We probably represent a smaller population percentage and less of the economy than the Jews in Germany in the 1930s.

I have to stop posting, I think I might have the gift for prophesy and I don't like what I am saying.

Later,
Paul

Arisin Wind

When the time comes, there will be those who make a stand for freedom. The odds may seem insurmountable, but they will nevertheless stand up against oppression. Some will die fighting for what they believe in. Maybe they will win, maybe not.

Then there will be those who sit on the side lines watching and wishing they were free.

Kerbouchard

Arisin, I guess my biggest worry is that before we even knew that it was nothing more than a local insurrection, or local politicians being idiots, or just a temporary inconvinience it would already be done.

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cdwolf

The last few years has sucked for me!! The future don't look that pretty from where im sitting, my parents are old, and I have no kids!!
I obey the law, don't harm nobody, I'm keeping my guns!!!
It will come down to each of us making a choice. I don't think we will see another civil war,and make no mistake, that's what it will be!
Once word get's out that there coming to take your guns from you, your right to self defence, there will be a alot of people that will not roll over!

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TerryD

You have much more faith in people than I do, especially LEO and military.

In my 8 years in the Army, I can't think of anyone that wouldn't do what they were told, regardless of what it was. Not hard to guess why I am not in the Army anymore.

And now that I a have been a Paramedic for over 3 years, the cops are'nt much better. Just look at Katrina for lots of examples of LEO illegally seizing guns, even the "out of state" LEO that was there to help.

There will always be exceptions of course, but most people in those jobs just do what they are told, or they wouldn't be in that position very long.

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Arisin Wind

I totally agree with you on that. The odds are, that is the way it will happen. The slow erosion of our rights until they are gone.

The other side of the coin though is if there is an event that causes the government to suddenly take those rights from us. A major terrorist attack - nuclear detonation in major city or Washington DC.

None of us really knows what we will do in any event until it happens. All we can do is plan for the worse, hope for the best and be ready for whatever happens.

OPFOR

Well, hypothetically, if the Big One comes, you could all hypothetically come to OPFOR's house, where he'd hypothetically have a bunch of stuff that hypothetically used to belong to Uncle Sam before Uncle Sam went off his rocker and OPFOR made for the hills. OPFOR hypothetically has a lot of training and experience fighting AGAINST the US Military, as well as with it, and could hypothetically create a whole slew of problems for the tyrants who hypothetically came to power. Hypothetically, he knows some folks who have similar backgrounds and intent. Hypothetically.

In the small scale, temporary, reality sense - no one is dieing by my hand, and I'm going home at the end of the day (to call my lawyer and get my shovel).

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Kerbouchard

I like it...

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cdwolf

Hypothetically the meeting place is set! Should the SHTF OPFOR will pm us all with the address, but I'm not going to Brazil.

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rodc13

The likelihood of a sudden attempt to grab all the guns in the nation is more in the realm of science fiction or post-apocalypse novels. Especially, since gun laws have, in general, become less restrictive over the last couple of decades. There's just no political traction to ban guns, from either side.

If you wake up one day to find that guns are banned, then shame on you for sleeping so long. Nothing happens overnight.

A localized event, on the other hand, as OpFor has put it quite well, is a different kettle of fish. Isolated circumstances of improper police activity can certainly occur, although it's quite unusual. With Katrina, you had the combination of a truly horrific natural disaster coupled with exceptionally poor planning, lack of communications, and panic. Warnings about what a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do to New Orleans had been made for years, and they were largely ignored by those who could have done something about it. The gun grab happened because no one had considered the situation ahead of time.

If you don't want to face a similar situation in your community when a disaster strikes, then get involved now. Work to get contingency plans in place. Work to get laws preventing the seizure of weapons. A lot is already being done, but there's a lot more to be done.

I also stand with OpFor in this, that I'm not going to shoot LEOs who are trying to do their duty, as they see fit. There will be another day, and there are many more, better options.

On the other hand, I've also got my hypothetical gear on hand, in the event that hypothetical big one really does hit, hypothetically speaking, of course.

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