DC vs. Heller:ALL Related Discussion: VICTORY! Merged - Page 10

tns0038 · March 18th, 2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cphilip

Indeed.... I saw that being handed up and out too. Training, Vision testing, Registration and competency testing all is open to being "reasonable"....

It would not surprise me.

BigEFan · March 18th, 2008, 05:05 PM

Reuters: U.S. Conservative Justices question City handgun ban.

Miggy · March 18th, 2008, 05:07 PM

In case you want to read and hear the arguments.
DC v Heller Audio

DC v. Heller Transcript.

Those subscribed to the GunTalk podcast will get the download as soon as you plug your Ipod

BigEFan · March 18th, 2008, 05:08 PM

AP: Reactions to the Case

nutz4utwo · March 18th, 2008, 05:09 PM

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"I am proud to have joined in an amicus brief to the court calling for a ruling in keeping with the clear intent of our Founding Fathers, which ensures the Second Amendment rights of the residents of District of Columbia are reaffirmed." — Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

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CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Thank you, Mr. Dellinger.

The case is submitted.

amen to that.

Redneck Repairs · March 18th, 2008, 05:17 PM

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I am disappointed that Gura (a Heller lawyer) doesn't think a machine gun is an "arm' related to militia/military use that is in common use. It certainly seems clear to me that is has military use, and if it weren't for the federal legislation regulating them, they would be in common use. pages 61-62 of the arguments. The justices caught him on it.

I think it is important to remember the scope of this case before the supremes .

The scope of it is basicly to answer the questions of :
1. Is the second amendment a collective or an individual right ?
and
2. Can a jurisdiction ban certain common types of firearms ? and if so what types are subject to restriction ( think pistols ) .

Out of the SCOUS decision in june or so we will get a whole new set of case law however they will IMHO render a narrow opinion on constitutional law , not a sweep for either our side or the libs side . Whatever they decide and however they word it it will still fall to us to challenge local laws in the federal forum to see if they pass the test of the opinion . Folks have called this the Roe VS Wade of firearms and imho that is accurate . It sets a standard for the circuit courts to use as a benchmark nothing more or less . The day after Roe VS Wade you could not in Ulyssis Ks or Lamar Co get a publicly funded abortion , nor am i sure you can today . However neither small town can forbid abortions as a matter of law . I specifically brought up abortion and gunrights in the same post because they are both " tripwire " issues where many react emotionally .

IMHO the second is about to be codified as an individual right , however it is up to us to challange restrictions to establish a standard for reasonable ( restrictions ) if any.

InspectorGadget · March 18th, 2008, 05:26 PM

I'm listening to the audio.. I almost feel sorry for Dellinger---Almost :)

Ram Rod · March 18th, 2008, 05:34 PM

Thanks for posting all of that. I listened to about an hour of it on the internet from CSpan today before I had to go out. We're depending on some very intelligent individuals to decide the matter and ultimately find what's right and true. Crossing our fingers or toes won't cut it in my opinion. We need to pray the Good Lord sees fit to give these people the Divine guidance needed to come to the correct conclusion since obviously 200+ years have seemed to have left an opening for some interpretations. I truly believe the Good Lord guided our forefathers and what they wrote for this nation to live by. In God We Trust are words to live by also. We must trust in God now--to give the wisdom in this time of need. If not, I feel the separation of our nation from God would only grow, and we've already seen the attempts made at that. God bless America.

ccw9mm · March 18th, 2008, 05:37 PM

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"... reasonable restrictions ..."

Hard to see how this line of logic can survive, given that possession and bearing of arms shall not be infringed.

Rock and Glock · March 18th, 2008, 05:57 PM

From the WSJ:

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WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Supreme Court Tuesday, hearing arguments over a Washington, D.C., ban on handguns, appeared ready to affirm a constitutional right for individual gun ownership.

But it was less clear how and to what extent the high court might invalidate the D.C. law, which is the strictest set of gun regulations in the country.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, the court's key swing vote, stated his position on the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution early in the arguments, giving gun rights supporters on the high court a likely majority on a divided court.

"In my view it supplements it, saying there is a general right to bear arms," Justice Kennedy said, explaining he believes the Second Amendment covers both the right of states to form militias and the rights of individuals to own guns.

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The court allotted extra time beyond the usual hour it gives for oral arguments in appeals.

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Moderate and liberal members of the court made it clear they didn't see a broad individual gun ownership right. Justice John Paul Stevens several times turned to the political context in which the Second Amendment was written, noting that language in Pennsylvania and Vermont constitutions that covered self-defense rights were rejected during development of the Second Amendment.

Here's the summary:

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It wasn't clear, however, whether the case would split 5-4 with Justice Kennedy voting on the conservative side. Justice Stephen Breyer asked several hypothetical questions that assumed an individual right but focused closely on whether the D.C. gun ban is reasonable given the level of criminal violence the city has faced.

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A decision in the case, D.C. v. Heller, is expected by July.

March 18th, 2008, 05:05 PM	#92
BigEFan VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central California Posts: 2,027	Reuters: U.S. Conservative Justices question City handgun ban. __________________ *Lex et Libertas — Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus, et Fidelis!* "Not only do the people who put their lives on the line to protect the rest of us deserve better, we all deserve better than to have our own security undermined by those who undermine law enforcement." -Thomas Sowell

March 18th, 2008, 05:07 PM	#93
Miggy VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami-Dade, FL Posts: 4,125	DC v. Heller Audio & Transcript In case you want to read and hear the arguments. DC v Heller Audio DC v. Heller Transcript. Those subscribed to the GunTalk podcast will get the download as soon as you plug your Ipod __________________ You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming. Randy Cain. GunFreeZone.net

March 18th, 2008, 05:08 PM	#94
BigEFan VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central California Posts: 2,027	AP: Reactions to the Case __________________ *Lex et Libertas — Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus, et Fidelis!* "Not only do the people who put their lives on the line to protect the rest of us deserve better, we all deserve better than to have our own security undermined by those who undermine law enforcement." -Thomas Sowell

March 18th, 2008, 05:34 PM	#98
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 3,489	Thanks for posting all of that. I listened to about an hour of it on the internet from CSpan today before I had to go out. We're depending on some very intelligent individuals to decide the matter and ultimately find what's right and true. Crossing our fingers or toes won't cut it in my opinion. We need to pray the Good Lord sees fit to give these people the Divine guidance needed to come to the correct conclusion since obviously 200+ years have seemed to have left an opening for some interpretations. I truly believe the Good Lord guided our forefathers and what they wrote for this nation to live by. In God We Trust are words to live by also. We must trust in God now--to give the wisdom in this time of need. If not, I feel the separation of our nation from God would only grow, and we've already seen the attempts made at that. God bless America. __________________ RamRod-----sans remords

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March 18th, 2008, 05:26 PM	#97
InspectorGadget Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: PENSACOLA, FL Posts: 166	I'm listening to the audio.. I almost feel sorry for Dellinger---Almost :)