DC vs. Heller:ALL Related Discussion: VICTORY! Merged

BigEFan · March 16th, 2008, 09:36 PM

There are going to be a ton of articles on the Heller case this week. I'll share the articles I think are worth sharing and I hope you will do the same.

This thread is for links to Heller articles that you come across that are worth sharing.(I think we should refrain from posting the entire article as this thread will get unwieldy)

Here is the first link

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D.C.'s Gun Ban Gets Day in Court

Here is another one:

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From the LA Times: Supreme Court to Hear Challenge To D.C. Gun Law

As promised, they are rolling out pretty regularly.

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CBS: High Noon For the 2nd Amendment

BTW: If the multitude of cheesy puns are annoying you, you are not alone!

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Drudge just linked to this Breitbart Article: Individuals Right to Bear Arms on Docket

A friend of mine emailed me this one:

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History News Network: The Right TO Bear Arms

Sheldon J · March 17th, 2008, 03:02 PM

One More

JonInNY · March 17th, 2008, 06:14 PM

Associated Press has one too:

Individual's Right to Bear Arms at Issue

omle54 · March 17th, 2008, 06:44 PM

Here's breaking news from the Buckeye Firearms association...
to be able to watch the oral arguments in the Supreme Court

Chief Justice Roberts Approves Immediate Release of Oral Argument For District of Columbia v. Heller
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, C-SPAN will air the Supreme Court oral argument of District of Columbia v. Heller which the Court is scheduled to hear that day. The immediate release of the audio recording of the Court's argument was in response to a request by C-SPAN Release time is approximately 11:15 A.M.).

The Court will make the recording available to the media soon after the conclusion of the oral argument. The oral argument will air on C-SPAN, and C-SPAN Radio as soon as it is released. The audio recording will also be archived online at C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics on the “America and the Courts” page.

NOTE: Go to C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics tomorrow. This event should be on the home page.

BigEFan · March 17th, 2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by omle54

Here's breaking news from the Buckeye Firearms association...
to be able to watch the oral arguments in the Supreme Court

Chief Justice Roberts Approves Immediate Release of Oral Argument For District of Columbia v. Heller
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, C-SPAN will air the Supreme Court oral argument of District of Columbia v. Heller which the Court is scheduled to hear that day. The immediate release of the audio recording of the Court's argument was in response to a request by C-SPAN Release time is approximately 11:15 A.M.).

The Court will make the recording available to the media soon after the conclusion of the oral argument. The oral argument will air on C-SPAN, and C-SPAN Radio as soon as it is released. The audio recording will also be archived online at C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics on the “America and the Courts” page.

NOTE: Go to C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics tomorrow. This event should be on the home page.

Outstanding!!!! Thanks for the heads up!

Well I am getting action alerts and emails from friends on a pretty regular basis now and I have been since about 1330 PDT. Here are a couple that are region specific.

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The Arizona Republic: Bearing Arms in Arizona (Home of the Grand Poobah-Strangely enough the Article argues that the SCOTUS case won't affect Arizona much. Neat history about the creation of Arizona's Constituion by the way)

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The Fort Worth Star Telegram: Texans Have A Stake In Gun Case

And here is a daily dose of slant from the editorial Board at the Washington Post:

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The D.C. Gun Case (Caution statements in this article may cause you to vomit)

Edit: One from the

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Chicago Tribune regarding Chicago's Stake in the Case

cagueits · March 17th, 2008, 10:45 PM

Heller Vs DC is the biggest article on C-SPAN's front page!!!

C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics

Don't miss the audio from the oral arguments tomorrow at 11:30am easter time!!!

BlackPR · March 18th, 2008, 12:43 AM

For those without the ability to listen tomorrow, the transcripts should be here: Argument Transcripts

They should be released the same time as the audio.

This audio release is *VERY UNUSUAL* for the supreme court. The only other case I know of was Bush v. Gore. I'm sure there were others, but traditionally, the supremes don't do this.

ExactlyMyPoint · March 18th, 2008, 02:02 AM

I got this from Alan at Gunlaws.com

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Full contact info at end

DATELINE: Washington, D.C. 3/17/08

24 Hours Prior to Heller Case

by Alan Korwin, Co-Author
Supreme Court Gun Cases

More people are on line in front of the U.S. Supreme Court for the D.C.
gun ban case tomorrow than seats are available, and the temperature is hovering above freezing, but that's not stopping them.

Bob Blackmer and I were the first to arrive, Sunday night about 5 p.m., answering the big question of -- Would two nights in advance be enough
-- aside from did we have endurance to pull that off.

A few moments later, Jason and Dan arrived from Pennsylvania with sleeping bags and the same question in mind -- would they be in time for the biggest Second Amendment case in the nation's history, and, yes, they were. With no one else around, and the Sup. Ct. police officer pumped for all the info he might have (precious little), Bob and I left for our hotel, confident that we would be in time in the a.m., and Jason and Dan became numbers one and two in line, a distinction the media would dwell on the next day. (Reporters kept zeroing in on Jason since he was number one in line, and fortunately, he was articulate, a poli sci grad, not the bubba the media so often isolates as a "typical"
example.)

Because the line formed two nights in advance (kind of), and because local ABC-TV carried that news (with images)and bloggers spread it, people began arriving first at midnight, and then at the crack of dawn, panicked about access. Bob awoke in the hotel and departed in time to arrive well before 8 a.m., making him 7th, and I ran around looking for propane for his porta-heater (the airline allowed the heater but not the fuel). I was fortunate to have a reserved seat, so it didn't matter that I arrived at 10 a.m., and that didn't matter either, since I was now #16. I was the only person, the whole day, schmoozing on the line, running errands for people, enjoying the atmosphere, but with a reserved seat and a bed waiting for me at night.

People had full blown lounge chairs, sleeping bags, blankets, food... a regular shanty town developed and as police had advised, the line self regulated. Physical position was a non-issue, since everyone knew their place, and Sarah, a Harvard law student, took it on herself to start a list and gather everyone's arrival time and position number. People milled around at will, confident they would not lose their cherished place in line. It was a community.

Almost everyone was a law student, almost no one would qualify as a "gunnie" (well, maybe a small handful) but nearly everyone was on the side of Heller, advocating for a strong Second Amendment. The conversations were electric, a bunch of well educated, thoughtful, intelligent people self selected for a historic moment. When was the last time you saw a line of people hanging out reading legal briefs?

The promise was for 50 seats for the public, but the Marsahll's office was clear to me that this number could change, and would only be known in the morning, giving a distinct feeling it would shrink as "dignitaries" decided to attend at the last minute.

By 2:30 p.m. Monday, today, the day before the case, 32 people were in line, neatly numbered thanks to Sarah (and everyone in line ahead of them). The lucky (maybe) 50th person arrived at 4:45 p.m., and folks continued to arrive and queue up, hoping against hope for a greater number of seats, or line abandoners.

No paid place holders were apparent.

The most novel legal theories were:

-- The case could be decided on standing, with the Court concluding Heller didn't really have any after all, and the case falling apart on those grounds (highly unlikely, but it shook up conversations);

-- The Court would parse "keep" and "bear," finding an individual right, but applying strict scurtiny to "keep" and rational basis standard of review for "bear," effectively gutting the Second Amendment;

-- A decision narrower than everyone expects would get a nine to zero affirmation of an individual right (a seven-to-two split got a lot of voice);

-- The Solicitor General would recant his position (calling for reduced scrutiny and a remand of the case), artfully saying that was a mistake or oversight, an extremely unlikely but appealing (to some) possibility that would get Clements out of supposed hot water and be talked about, well, forever;

-- No one expects anything but an individual right finding, but the level of scrutiny for any law anywhere was up for grabs;

-- Obviously, no one has a clue, but you get the idea of what was going on in the cold, windy, sleep deprived, hard scrabble concrete world of Hellertown in front of the Court.

As for me, I'm sun burned, exhausted, undernourished, but at least in a hotel lobby, getting ready for what sleep I can and an early start to what will be an amazing day tomorrow. I'll relieve Bob so he can use the Court restroom to shuck his thermals, freshen up, stash his goods in the Court lockers, grab some chow in the Court cafeteria (great food, low low subsidized prices), and join the rabble in the cheap seats upstairs.

Written without adequate review or a spell checker, I reserve the right to change any of this... will attempt a swift review of the orals as soon after as I can muster.

Alan.

alan@gunlaws.com
Bloomfield Press, Phoenix
602-996-4020
gunlaws.com / Bloomfield Press

lacrosse50 · March 18th, 2008, 09:01 AM

Let's see:
Fingers crossed.....check.
Toes crossed.....check.
Legs crossed.....check.
Arms crossed.....check.

Doesn't look like I'll be getting much work done today...

imatt · March 18th, 2008, 09:05 AM

Nope, no work will be done today in my neck of the woods.

Trying to find a good internet radio stream that's keeping tabs on things... anyone have a suggestion?

March 17th, 2008, 03:02 PM	#2
Sheldon J Distinguished Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Battle Creek, Mi. Posts: 1,686	One More __________________ "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century

March 17th, 2008, 06:14 PM	#3
JonInNY VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mid-Hudson Valley New York State Posts: 2,621	Associated Press has one too: Individual's Right to Bear Arms at Issue __________________ "I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul." -- William Ernest Henley: Invictus

March 18th, 2008, 12:43 AM	#7
BlackPR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lakewood Colorado Posts: 606	For those without the ability to listen tomorrow, the transcripts should be here: Argument Transcripts They should be released the same time as the audio. This audio release is VERY UNUSUAL for the supreme court. The only other case I know of was Bush v. Gore. I'm sure there were others, but traditionally, the supremes don't do this. __________________ Truth and falsehood are both whatever and simultaneously not so, rather than not. Colorado Gun Law FAQ's: http://rmgo.org/faq/

March 18th, 2008, 09:01 AM	#9
lacrosse50 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 338	Let's see: Fingers crossed.....check. Toes crossed.....check. Legs crossed.....check. Arms crossed.....check. Doesn't look like I'll be getting much work done today... __________________ ...and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; one equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. —Tennyson, Ulysses NRA Life Member

March 18th, 2008, 09:05 AM	#10
imatt Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 257	Nope, no work will be done today in my neck of the woods. Trying to find a good internet radio stream that's keeping tabs on things... anyone have a suggestion? __________________ ~Matt imatt.us Track HR 1022

March 17th, 2008, 06:44 PM	#4
omle54 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Springboro, OH Posts: 40	Here's breaking news from the Buckeye Firearms association... to be able to watch the oral arguments in the Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts Approves Immediate Release of Oral Argument For District of Columbia v. Heller WASHINGTON, D.C. -- On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, C-SPAN will air the Supreme Court oral argument of District of Columbia v. Heller which the Court is scheduled to hear that day. The immediate release of the audio recording of the Court's argument was in response to a request by C-SPAN Release time is approximately 11:15 A.M.). The Court will make the recording available to the media soon after the conclusion of the oral argument. The oral argument will air on C-SPAN, and C-SPAN Radio as soon as it is released. The audio recording will also be archived online at C-SPAN \| Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics on the “America and the Courts” page. NOTE: Go to C-SPAN \| Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics tomorrow. This event should be on the home page.

March 17th, 2008, 10:45 PM	#6
cagueits Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 762	Heller Vs DC is the biggest article on C-SPAN's front page!!! C-SPAN \| Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics Don't miss the audio from the oral arguments tomorrow at 11:30am easter time!!!

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