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I live in Oregon, so please be patient with this backwoods 'Hick' as I try to understand. There is a law, pending or in force in NJ that limits firearm capacity to 15 and requires reloading at the factory? Please tell me that this is local political humor. Please.....

grnzbra

There is a law that says that 3 years after someone (I think it's the AG for NJ) declares that a workable smart gun has been produced anywhere, all guns sold in NJ must be smart. Part of the requirement is that the smart technology cannot be readily bypassed.

New Jersey Institute of Technology, (the former Newark College of Engineering where you went if you flunked out of Stevens Institute of Technology, but that's another story) is working on the grip recognition (smart) part of it. The plan is to mate it up with the Metalstorm abomination, which, according to things I've read about it, needs to be reloaded at the factory. I think it is because it uses electrically fired primers mounted in the barrel (this thing is a glorified muzzle loader) which have to be replaced. (I expect that there might be some kind of arrangement wherby one could buy spare loaded barrels and switch barrels when the gun is empty and ship the empties back to the factory for reloading, or something like a long revolver cylindar that could be dropped into the gun behind the barrels.

If you've ever worked with any coin operated things like copiers, you know that all the coin-op is a circuit that senses when the proper money has been deposited and then closes a simple circuit, let's say the wire to the "Print" button on a copier. In a gun, I would expect that it would involve some kind of solenoid being actuated. That would be too easily bypassed. By using the Metalstorm gun's technology, it would be far more difficult to bypass this (supposedly any attempt to muck around with it would result in the electronics for the gun being fried.).

But, anyway, that's the plan.

As an interresting aside, Metalstorm's big claim to fame was its area denial weapon that fired a million rounds per minute. So, let's see, the anti gunners are setting up a situation where the only gun you can buy will be one that was designed as a machine gun. All it would take is someone who is familiar with working with the individual components in a computer to do this. Expect to see plans on the internet within about a month after this shows up on the market.

By the way, if you check the link, you'll see that the target market for this is the very people who are exempted from the law.

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Speaking of the smart gun technology (the personal recognition portion), it is far from production. Prototypes have about a 90% reliability. That is it fires 9 out of 10 times it's suppose to. The goal is something in the neighborhood of 99.99% reliability, which they say is around the reliability of the components of a gun. So a mechanical failure should happen before an electrical one.

The main problem I have with the whole "grip recognition concept" is that I know I don't always use the same grip. Need to experiment a little to get comfortable and proper, at least with a new firearm. And if I'm in a dire situation I'll bet dollars to donuts that I'm not consciously thinking of my proper grip.

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grnzbra

...I would expect absolutely ZERO mechanical problems. And the grip recognition thing will be a great thing if it happens naturally and the is implemented as a function of market selection. I have two problems with it. The first is the idea that a bureaucratic hack is going to determine when it is in it is reliable "enough" (Right now, they've got to squeeze the whole thing into the footprint of the gun and they've only got it to the point where a standard gun is connected to a laptop for processing. Metalstorm technology gives them the whole grip volume to play with). If they can compact it down to fit in the grip but still have only 90%, but decide to market it anyway, the clock starts.

Furthermore, we still have the problem of 15 shots and you're done. That's unacceptable. It has to work on a "normal" gun.

Just remembered a third concern I have. What would it take to shut it down completely. I expect EMP would do it, but that's kinda extreme. Moving down the extremity spectrum, how close to normal everyday occurrances do you have to get for the firing circuits to function reliably (after being told by the recognition software that it's ok for this shooter to fire.)

And while we're at it, is this going to have GPS in it? Perhaps it fires off a location to a central computer every time it's fired.

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grnzbra

+1. How about when you've been slashed in the strong arm and are bleeding all over the gun while fighting your attacker off with your non-dominant arm.

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Grew up in NJ...joined the Navy and left at 18. Just a reccomendation.

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