Meirs Better than BORK On the 2nd Amendment

ExSoldier · October 5th, 2005, 01:14 AM

HARRIET MIERS OUTSHINES BORK

Unlike the Patron Saint of Originalism, Miers Will Defend Our Freedom

Judge Robert H. Bork has come to represent in many conservative minds the gold standard of legal sagacity against which provincial upstarts such as Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers must be weighed. In truth, however, Bork provides a poor example of conservative jurisprudence. Even as simple a phrase as, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" has long confounded Judge Bork. Harriet Miers suffers no such confusion.

Following a July 1, 1992 incident in which a crazed gunman slew two lawyers and two judges in a Texas courtroom, Miers wrote in the Texas Lawyer, "How does a free society prevent a man from entering a courtroom and opening fire?" (hat tip, David Kopel)

The very liberties we hold dear, such as, "access to public places, the right to bear arms and freedom from constant surveillance" make such crimes possible, noted Miers. Yet, she concluded, "We are not willing to sacrifice these rights because of the acts of maniacs."

By contrast, Robert Bork dismisses the Second Amendment as a useless relic of bygone days. In his 1996 book Slouching Towards Gomorrah he writes that, "The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that there is no individual right to own a firearm" — a statement which is demonstrably untrue. Bork also writes:

"The Second Amendment was designed to allow states to defend themselves against a possibly tyrannical national government. Now that the federal government has stealth bombers and nuclear weapons, it is hard to imagine what people would need to keep in the garage to serve that purpose.''
Perhaps if Judge Bork had found himself besieged by gangs in post-Katrina New Orleans, he might have gained a healthy appreciation for the utility of SKS rifles and AR-15s in modern life. How much more would he have appreciated such hardware, had he found himself surveying the smoking ruins of an American city flattened by nuclear terror attack, devoid of police and swarming with brigands.

But Judge Bork is one of those men who cannot "imagine" what he has not personally experienced. And so the "brilliant" jurist discarded James Madison's handiwork as casually as he would a soiled Kleenex.

If this is brilliance, how exactly should we define stupidity?

In today's American Thinker, Thomas Lifson exposes the snobbery which underlies so many conservative denunciations of Harriet Miers. He writes:

"Thus we hear conservatives sniffing that a Southern Methodist University legal education is just too non-Ivy League, adopting a characteristic trope of blue state elitists. We hear conservatives bemoaning a lack of judicial experience, and not a single law review article in the last decade as evidence of a second rate mind."

The outrage certain conservative pundits have displayed in the face of President Bush's decision to elevate Harriet Miers over their Ivy League classmates may be understandable.

But it is not helpful. Nor is it admirable.

ExSoldier762's NOTE: THIS is what I've been waiting to hear! She got her degree from SMU. Pretty conservative school in a very conservative and pro-gun state. Everybody used to think I was nuts because I opposed BORK and was glad he was voted down. I opposed him because I researched his views on the 2nd Amendment.

tanksoldier · October 5th, 2005, 02:15 AM

Lots of people are making noise about her never having been a judge.

From what I've read a good 1/3 of SCOTUS justices were never judges, including Chief Justice Rehnquist.

Tangle · October 5th, 2005, 08:31 AM

I'm glad to hear she's pro-2nd amendent. Maybe we'll eventually have a Supreme Court ruling that confirms the 2nd amendment is an individual right and that CCW licenses a right and is therefore unlawful.

QKShooter · October 5th, 2005, 09:38 AM

Oh don't worry the lib-left wingers are SUPER BUSY scouring her entire past life RIGHT NOW...they sure will find some reason why she is no good for nothing much.
They are probably going through her medical records (as we speak) in order to find out if she was ever on "The Pill" in Jr. High School.

Euclidean · October 5th, 2005, 10:13 AM

Actually, didn't the framers really intend for Justices in any court to simply be level headed people? I want some non lawyers on the court please.

grnzbra · October 5th, 2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ExSoldier762

"How does a free society prevent a man from entering a courtroom and opening fire?" (hat tip, David Kopel)

The very liberties we hold dear, such as, "access to public places, the right to bear arms and freedom from constant surveillance" make such crimes possible, noted Miers. Yet, she concluded, "We are not willing to sacrifice these rights because of the acts of maniacs."

Did she say any more about 2A? I can see Sara and her Million Toadies saying that as a preamble to a call for a constitutional convention for the purpose of "updating" the Bill of Rights. (Because we are not willing to give them up without the leadership of the liberals)

P95Carry · October 5th, 2005, 12:45 PM

Quote:

I want some non lawyers on the court please.

I'll be with you on that one Euc.

AutoFan · October 6th, 2005, 02:19 AM

Even better than just non-lawyers, I would like to see a non-lawyer who had to work their way up from "common" roots.

October 5th, 2005, 01:14 AM	#1
ExSoldier VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Coral Gables, FL Posts: 4,207	Meirs Better than BORK On the 2nd Amendment HARRIET MIERS OUTSHINES BORK Unlike the Patron Saint of Originalism, Miers Will Defend Our Freedom Judge Robert H. Bork has come to represent in many conservative minds the gold standard of legal sagacity against which provincial upstarts such as Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers must be weighed. In truth, however, Bork provides a poor example of conservative jurisprudence. Even as simple a phrase as, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" has long confounded Judge Bork. Harriet Miers suffers no such confusion. Following a July 1, 1992 incident in which a crazed gunman slew two lawyers and two judges in a Texas courtroom, Miers wrote in the Texas Lawyer, "How does a free society prevent a man from entering a courtroom and opening fire?" (hat tip, David Kopel) The very liberties we hold dear, such as, "access to public places, the right to bear arms and freedom from constant surveillance" make such crimes possible, noted Miers. Yet, she concluded, "We are not willing to sacrifice these rights because of the acts of maniacs." By contrast, Robert Bork dismisses the Second Amendment as a useless relic of bygone days. In his 1996 book Slouching Towards Gomorrah he writes that, "The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that there is no individual right to own a firearm" — a statement which is demonstrably untrue. Bork also writes: "The Second Amendment was designed to allow states to defend themselves against a possibly tyrannical national government. Now that the federal government has stealth bombers and nuclear weapons, it is hard to imagine what people would need to keep in the garage to serve that purpose.'' Perhaps if Judge Bork had found himself besieged by gangs in post-Katrina New Orleans, he might have gained a healthy appreciation for the utility of SKS rifles and AR-15s in modern life. How much more would he have appreciated such hardware, had he found himself surveying the smoking ruins of an American city flattened by nuclear terror attack, devoid of police and swarming with brigands. But Judge Bork is one of those men who cannot "imagine" what he has not personally experienced. And so the "brilliant" jurist discarded James Madison's handiwork as casually as he would a soiled Kleenex. If this is brilliance, how exactly should we define stupidity? In today's American Thinker, Thomas Lifson exposes the snobbery which underlies so many conservative denunciations of Harriet Miers. He writes: "Thus we hear conservatives sniffing that a Southern Methodist University legal education is just too non-Ivy League, adopting a characteristic trope of blue state elitists. We hear conservatives bemoaning a lack of judicial experience, and not a single law review article in the last decade as evidence of a second rate mind." The outrage certain conservative pundits have displayed in the face of President Bush's decision to elevate Harriet Miers over their Ivy League classmates may be understandable. But it is not helpful. Nor is it admirable. ExSoldier762's NOTE: THIS is what I've been waiting to hear! She got her degree from SMU. Pretty conservative school in a very conservative and pro-gun state. Everybody used to think I was nuts because I opposed BORK and was glad he was voted down. I opposed him because I researched his views on the 2nd Amendment. __________________ Former Infantry Captain; 20 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

October 5th, 2005, 02:15 AM	#2
tanksoldier Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,130	Lots of people are making noise about her never having been a judge. From what I've read a good 1/3 of SCOTUS justices were never judges, including Chief Justice Rehnquist. __________________ "I am a Soldier. I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr. "Drive fast and eat cheese!"

October 5th, 2005, 10:13 AM	#5
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	Actually, didn't the framers really intend for Justices in any court to simply be level headed people? I want some non lawyers on the court please. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

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October 5th, 2005, 08:31 AM	#3
Tangle Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chattanooga Posts: 5,688	I'm glad to hear she's pro-2nd amendent. Maybe we'll eventually have a Supreme Court ruling that confirms the 2nd amendment is an individual right and that CCW licenses a right and is therefore unlawful.

October 5th, 2005, 09:38 AM	#4
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 19,788	Oh don't worry the lib-left wingers are SUPER BUSY scouring her entire past life RIGHT NOW...they sure will find some reason why she is no good for nothing much. They are probably going through her medical records (as we speak) in order to find out if she was ever on "The Pill" in Jr. High School.

October 6th, 2005, 02:19 AM	#8
AutoFan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Sunshine State Posts: 938	Even better than just non-lawyers, I would like to see a non-lawyer who had to work their way up from "common" roots.