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Old May 1st, 2008, 11:54 AM   #11
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Exclamation Comments on National Park Carry

OK people it is time to send in comments on the National park carry, please use the provided links submissions, and just for giggles here is what I have sent them...

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Honorable Committee:
over the years I have visited a great many of our National Parks many times, and have noted with great despair the alarming increases in crime. Although our park rangers do a outstanding job with the manpower and equipment they have they are a finite source and simply put cannot be every where at once.

That leaves the safety of the individual and their loved ones to that individual, and while the law abiding citizen will by nature obey the rules and regulations, Criminals by their nature will not, and there in lies the conundrum.

Allowing the private citizen that is licensed to continue to carry their fire firearm while in the boundaries of our National parks would greatly lead to increased security and safety for all who visit our county, and I can over state my support and hope for yours as well

Thank You for your time and consideration.
Link to site to make your comment... FWS-R9-NSR-2008-0062
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Old May 1st, 2008, 01:19 PM   #12
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I will be submitting the petition at Removal of prohibition on firearms on National Park and Fish and Wildlife Federal lands.

Along with a seperate letter debunking the "National Parks are Safe" myth. Now is the time to pass around or sign the petition. The review period is 60 days, at the 30 day point, I will be printing and submitting it.

Please, if you do write letters, point out that the "National Parks are safe" myth is just that, a myth. The NPS's numbers are faulty, and here's just a few reasons why:
  • They count number of visitors based on whether or not people are in the park for 1 minute or 1 week.
  • They do not compare to city crime statistics because people live in cities full time, but only visit national parks for a short period.
  • Given population density in National parks at a given moment, the crime statistics do not compare favorably *at all* to other areas of the country with similar population density.
  • If the parks are so safe, why is National Park Ranger the most dangerous federal law enforcement job, with a Ranger being 12 times more likely to be killed or injured on the job than an FBI agent?
  • In terms of specific safety, a Ranger may be HOURS away when I need help and have no ability to call 911, whereas my local police are minutes away.

There's more! Chime in everyone! You might point out that "I am 'the people' and I'm not confused by this new rule."

You can submit your comments to the proposed rule change online. To do so, go to: Regulations.gov and in the field under Comment or Submission enter 1024-AD70.

This will take you to the page where you may electronically submit comments and track the status of changes.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 02:02 PM   #13
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I will be submitting the petition at Removal of prohibition on firearms on National Park and Fish and Wildlife Federal lands.

Along with a seperate letter debunking the "National Parks are Safe" myth. Now is the time to pass around or sign the petition. The review period is 60 days, at the 30 day point, I will be printing and submitting it.

Please, if you do write letters, point out that the "National Parks are safe" myth is just that, a myth. The NPS's numbers are faulty, and here's just a few reasons why:
  • They count number of visitors based on whether or not people are in the park for 1 minute or 1 week.
  • They do not compare to city crime statistics because people live in cities full time, but only visit national parks for a short period.
  • Given population density in National parks at a given moment, the crime statistics do not compare favorably *at all* to other areas of the country with similar population density.
  • If the parks are so safe, why is National Park Ranger the most dangerous federal law enforcement job, with a Ranger being 12 times more likely to be killed or injured on the job than an FBI agent?
  • In terms of specific safety, a Ranger may be HOURS away when I need help and have no ability to call 911, whereas my local police are minutes away.

There's more! Chime in everyone! You might point out that "I am 'the people' and I'm not confused by this new rule."

I just signed it.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 11:16 PM   #14
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National Park Firearms Carry -Public comment

Hi all, the Dept. of the Interior has now opened up for public comment , their revised rules on legal firearm carry in National Parks. This would allow state law to govern in which each National Park is located. As you may or may not know we can't do that right now. Please visit: U.S. Department of the Interior Home Page for more info and how to comment. This is a great chance for us to open this up. We have until June 30th to do this, so please don't delay. Pass this on to your friends. We need as much pro-comment as we can muster and choose your words wisely. Thanks
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 12:23 AM   #15
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Thankyou for that.
I just included that in my gun club newsletter.That ought to be good for some comments.
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 09:29 AM   #16
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I sent my comment letter today. Please do it, folks.
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 09:33 AM   #17
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Glad to see it moving along. Thanks for keeping us updated.
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 09:48 AM   #18
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I sent my comment letter today. Please do it, folks.
Did you keep a copy? If so, post it!
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 12:31 PM   #19
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Did you keep a copy? If so, post it!
OK, here it is.

I support modification of existing federal regulations in regards to the legal carry and possession of firearms in National Parks and Monuments. I would like to see the possession of a firearm in a National Park, Monument, or Wildlife Refuge receive the same status and legal standing as a similar possession would on state or national forest lands in the state where the Park, Monument, or Refuge exists.

I grew up in the family of a scientist who did a great deal of research along the Arizona border, and in Organ Pipe National Monument in particular. I remain a frequent visitor of the park and do a great deal of backcountry hiking there. There are thousands of illegal entries by humans and drug smugglers into Organ Pipe each year. I have encountered or observed these individuals on numerous occasions. I have met them on trails, talked to them a few times, and have even seen them in the main campground seeking water. These encounters have always worked out without incident, but there is no way to know who a drug runner versus who is merely an immigrant trying to go north to work. The park has limited resources and its law enforcement officers are spread thin. I rarely see them in the backcountry. Backcountry users are completely on their own, with no possibility of timely law enforcement assistance should such assistance be needed.

I have a state issued permit to carry a concealed weapon that is recognized in Arizona. In order to obtain this permit I had to attend classes and training in the safe and accurate use of firearms, submit fingerprints, and undergo a rigorous background check. Because of my permit, I am allowed to carry a concealed weapon almost anywhere except the one place I feel it is most needed.

Organ Pipe is just one example of the many National Parks, Monuments, and Wildlife Refuges that are understaffed and heavily used. Limiting gun possession in theses areas does not make the public safer. If anything, public safety would be better assured by a consistent, rational approach to all of our state and federal lands.

In summary, I would like to see the possession of a firearm in a National Park, Monument, or Wildlife Refuge receive the same status and legal standing as a similar possession would on state or national forest lands in the state where the Park, Monument, or Refuge exists.
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 02:35 PM   #20
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Here's another link for submitting comments electronically:

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