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Old May 2nd, 2008, 06:25 PM   #21
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Here's another link for submitting comments electronically:

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Old May 3rd, 2008, 02:10 AM   #23
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In some areas of the country I would see carrying here would be a necessity, what with all the wildlife around. 2-legged and 4-legged. Do you really want to trust pepper spray on a mom grizzly?
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In some areas of the country I would see carrying here would be a necessity, what with all the wildlife around. 2-legged and 4-legged. Do you really want to trust pepper spray on a mom grizzly?
Like in Alaska [firearms allowed in park for defense]: Kenai Fjords National Park - Firearms (U.S. National Park Service)
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Do you really want to trust pepper spray on a mom grizzly?
Yes, I would, and I have.

Counter Assault and Guard Alaska brands of bear pepper spray have been tested under actual field conditions, and they work as advertised.

Always keep in mind, however, that nothing is 100% effective at stopping a charging griz.
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If you wish to do so, start at Regulations.gov
and enter 1024-AD70 under "Comment or Submission" to get to the page where you can both view the proposed rule change and enter your comment.
When you use Regulations.gov be sure to have your machine set to allow cookies, or it will "time-out" w/o telling you it is the cookies that are the problem.

I submitted:

I strongly support these proposed change as a step in the right direction.

However, if I read the proposal correctly it should be expanded to allow carry in a National Park or National Wildlife Refuge buildings if the State allows carry in its State park and/or State refuge buildings.

It should allow for open carry, without or without a permit, if the host State allows for such carry in its State park or refuge area, without or without a permit.

It could be read to require that the State have a specific law to allow the person to be able to carry in a State park or a refuge before they can carry in a National Park or Refuge. There are States (Alaska comes to mind) that do not restrict or are silent on such carry. It seems to me that you should be allowed to carry in a National Park or Refuge unless the State specifically prohibits carry in their park or a refuge or says specifically that you cannot carry in a National Park or Wildlife Refuge.

Lastly, there are many linear "Parks" (e.g., Blue Ridge Parkway) which are used for local travel and/or crossed on grade from State and local roads. I think that all “in-transit” carry on all such roadways should be in accord to local law.

If these changes can be made, it would greatly improve the regulations. However, half a loaf is better than none and the proposed regulations should be adopted as a step in the right direction, if these improvements cannot be made.
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I just got this from the NRA-ILA:


Time For Public Comment On New Rules For Guns In National Parks

Friday, May 02, 2008

On April 30, the U.S. Department of Interior, through the National Park Service and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, issued a proposed rule to amend the current strict regulations on firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. NRA-ILA led the effort to amend the existing policy regarding the carrying and transportation of firearms on these federal lands. The public has until June 30 to comment on the proposal, and NRA-ILA strongly urges members to file comments in support.

“Law-abiding citizens should not be prohibited from protecting themselves and their families while enjoying America's National Parks and wildlife refuges,” said NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox. “Under this proposal, federal parks and wildlife refuges will mirror the state carry laws for state parks. This is an important step in the right direction, and we applaud efforts to amend the out-of-date regulations.”

These new regulations will provide uniformity across our nation’s federal lands and put an end to the patchwork of regulations that governed different lands managed by different federal agencies. In the past, Bureau of Land Management and Forest Service lands allowed the carrying of firearms, while Park Service and Fish and Wildlife Service lands did not.

The current regulations on possession, carry or transportation of loaded or uncased firearms in national parks were proposed in 1982 and finalized in 1983. Similar restrictions apply in national wildlife refuges.

The NRA has long held that amendments to those regulations were needed to reflect changes in state laws on carrying firearms. As of the end of 1982, only six states routinely allowed citizens to carry handguns for self-defense. Now, there are 40 states that respect the right to carry, via “shall issue” laws or otherwise.

This proposed rule will restore the rights of law-abiding gun owners who wish to carry concealed firearms for self-protection on most Interior Department lands, and will make federal law consistent with the state carry law in which these lands are located. Fifty-one U.S. Senators sent a bipartisan letter to the Department of Interior supporting the move to make state firearms laws applicable to National Park lands and wildlife refuges.

Anti-gun groups have already geared up a massive propaganda campaign, with Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., calling the proposal “appalling” and others suggesting there will be carnage among both park visitors and wildlife if the proposal is adopted. These predictions, of course, have not come true in any state that’s adopted a Right-to-Carry law, or on other federal lands where firearms possession is already allowed.

The NRA will file comments, including suggestions that the final regulation should mirror state law in all respects (not just for concealed carry), and that the proposal’s reference to state laws on parks or “any similar unit of state land” is vague, and could lead in some states to the type of patchwork regulation the proposal was meant to do away with.

Again, NRA members should take this opportunity to help write our nation’s laws, by submitting comments until June 30. Members should submit comments online here, or mail comments to:

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Attn: 1024-AD70
Division of Policy and Directives Management
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
4401 N. Fairfax Drive, Suite 222
Arlington, VA 22203

And THIS is the letter I submitted:

For decades the rate of crime in rural areas has been creeping upwards. Mostly this is due to a combination of factors: Drug cartels seeking areas to refine and manufacture where law enforcement is thin and curiosity by locals is containable. Illegal immigration is a huge portion of the reason along the borders and many of our national parks are part of a sort of underground railroad path for these illegals to make the journey north. An important part of this network of trails and paths cuts through our national parks and forests and the SPINE of the network is called the "Appalachian Trail" in the east and the "Pacific Crest" in the western part of the country. These trails are isolated but maintained by the National Park Service. But due to manpower shortages and budget constraints you could spend weeks on the trails before you see a park employee. However you'll see other hikers daily and a certain percentage of these stand to be predators.

Many of these people are hardened criminals who won't hesitate to take the life of a law enforcement officer not to mention a helpless citizen. The rates for forcible rape in these situations are truly horrifying. Drug smugglers often take the same routes and have the same issues. In the woods there is no way for 911 to be effective and many times a cell signal isn't going to be attainable anyway due to the terrain and isolation of the caller. The only recourse for law abiding citizens in these areas who wish to lawfully partake of the magnificent outdoor experiences afforded by our park system is to use the same means they have to protect their families in the home: A firearm. Allowing holders of state concealed weapons permits to have ready access inside a national park is an important method of deterrence to all groups of those who would prey upon the innocent.

Especially in light of the fact that the actual numbers who DO carry a concealed permit into a park or other venue will be miniscule in light of the benefits derived in that the criminals won't KNOW who has the gun so it becomes a deadly shell game for them with the odds against their best interests. Speaking as a former State of Florida Parole and Probation Officer I have it directly from the mouths of the felons that such a scenario represents a nightmare for the prospects of shearing the "sheep" in safety.

Looking at the rates for the state of FLORIDA in relation to the revocation of concealed firearms permits revoked for cause we get an astute answer to the detractors of this common sense measure:

Out of over 1.3 million licenses issued since 1987, only 165 were revoked because of firearms used. That means that only about 1 out of every 7878 licensees committed a violent act with a gun. Hmm, that would be .01269%. Pretty small numbers. In the light of doing the "people's business" such numbers don't even make a blip on the radar. In fact I would consider any politician who sees otherwise as a self declared opponent to the mere PREAMBLE to the US Constitution!

Moreover, the Recreational Vehicles that simply pull into a campground for a weekend of respite from the noise and hazards of the city should and indeed MUST be afforded the same rights to self defense and defense of family. This is especially important since an RV is able to be declared a "second home" by the IRS and the interest payments are deductible in the same fashion.

Ladies and gentlemen thank you for taking the time to listen to these arguments in favor of allowing people who are holders of concealed weapons permits the right to self defense in our national parks and for those who are enjoying the comforts of a moveable SECOND HOME the same rights they enjoy in the fixed version.
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