Ammunition Encoding Legislation Introduced in Alabama! - Page 2

Miggy · May 3rd, 2008, 08:07 AM

One way we need to start killing these stupid bills once and for all is to eliminate the "except for Law Enforcement and Military" provisions that most of these bills have. You will see Police Chiefs screaming bloody murder and killing that baby with their own hands.

retsupt99 · May 3rd, 2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bluelineman

Write him a letter.

Sen Little

Was the Senator 'named' after his brain?

dr_cmg · May 3rd, 2008, 10:08 AM

I don't know how many have read the bill, but let me give you a couple of facts that may surprise you about it.

1) There is no "except for Law Enforcement and Military" provision in this bill.

2) Because there is no "grandfathering" nor restitution in the bill anyone with unserialized ammo on Jan. 1, 2011 automatically becomes a criminal.

3) According to Trip Pittman (R-Baldwin Co) he was the only member of the committee to express any concern about it during its first reading.

4) Because there is no "grandfathering" nor restitution in the bill it appears to me to be a classic example of an ex post facto law. If I purchased unserialized ammo on or before Dec. 31, 2010 on Jan. 1, 2011 that act which was legal when committed immediately becomes criminal. It there for appears that the bill is in violation of Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution and Article 1, Section 22 of the Alabama Constitution which both state that it is illegal to pass ex post facto laws. It is possible that the bill is also in violation of the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution. Any attorneys who read this please provide an opinion on the ex post facto concern.

QKShooter · May 3rd, 2008, 11:34 AM

"Because there is no "grandfathering" nor restitution in the bill anyone with unserialized ammo on Jan. 1, 2011 automatically becomes a criminal."

They tried that in PA but, luckily it went down in flames.

falcon1 · May 3rd, 2008, 12:52 PM

The "no-grandfathering" provision was in the Tennessee bill also. These "legislators" (not the term I was originally going to use) all went to a conference somewhere sponsored by the usual suspects and all picked up the same legislation to bring home to their respective state houses.

bluelineman · May 3rd, 2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Colin

It's the death of a thousand cuts approach, ask the supporters if they have done any tech trials on it. the whole purpose is to discourage people from owning guns.

Why don't they make using a handgun (except for purposes of self defense) illegal. Oh wait, it already is.

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Originally Posted by retsupt99

Was the Senator 'named' after his brain?

I'm thinking so.

mavrik46 · May 3rd, 2008, 05:50 PM

Well, I just emailed my State Senator respectfully asking him to oppose this bill, and will be calling my State Representative's office on Monday to respectfully ask him to oppose it also if it makes it to the House. And George, thanks for the heads up. I had heard a rumor of this but it turns out it wasn't just a rumor.

bobcat35 · May 3rd, 2008, 06:34 PM

i wonder if any of the legislaters realise that the united states surpasses even the anti gun UN standards for ammo marking and traceability?

bluelineman · May 3rd, 2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bobcat35

i wonder if any of the legislaters realise that the united states surpasses even the anti gun UN standards for ammo marking and traceability?

That would make Chuckie Schumer proud.

Hopyard · May 3rd, 2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by falcon1

These "legislators" (not the term I was originally going to use) all went to a conference somewhere sponsored by the usual suspects and all picked up the same legislation to bring home to their respective state houses.

It is a pity, but that is how lots of really really bad ideas become law.
The corporations that have something to sell, sell it. They sell it to legislators in the hope that then everyone will have to buy. That's called "making a market."

Ever wonder why you have to **** to get a job? It has a lot less to do with safety and anti-drug vigilance than you think. And a lot more to do with narrow business interests pushing the service they sell--testing-- to make money.

This is the way the Critters work. It keeps them from having to think.
Just attend the nifty lobby "seminar" and you will know all you have to know to make law. :___

And when the corps aren't corrupting their tiny minds, the reverends are.

May 3rd, 2008, 08:07 AM	#11
Miggy VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami-Dade, FL Posts: 3,923	One way we need to start killing these stupid bills once and for all is to eliminate the "except for Law Enforcement and Military" provisions that most of these bills have. You will see Police Chiefs screaming bloody murder and killing that baby with their own hands. __________________ You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming. Randy Cain. GunFreeZone.net

May 3rd, 2008, 10:08 AM	#13
dr_cmg Lead Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 6,981	I don't know how many have read the bill, but let me give you a couple of facts that may surprise you about it. 1) There is no "except for Law Enforcement and Military" provision in this bill. 2) Because there is no "grandfathering" nor restitution in the bill anyone with unserialized ammo on Jan. 1, 2011 automatically becomes a criminal. 3) According to Trip Pittman (R-Baldwin Co) he was the only member of the committee to express any concern about it during its first reading. 4) Because there is no "grandfathering" nor restitution in the bill it appears to me to be a classic example of an ex post facto law. If I purchased unserialized ammo on or before Dec. 31, 2010 on Jan. 1, 2011 that act which was legal when committed immediately becomes criminal. It there for appears that the bill is in violation of Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution and Article 1, Section 22 of the Alabama Constitution which both state that it is illegal to pass ex post facto laws. It is possible that the bill is also in violation of the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution. Any attorneys who read this please provide an opinion on the ex post facto concern. __________________ George Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein

May 3rd, 2008, 11:34 AM	#14
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Runthegun, PA. Posts: 17,957	"Because there is no "grandfathering" nor restitution in the bill anyone with unserialized ammo on Jan. 1, 2011 automatically becomes a criminal." They tried that in PA but, luckily it went down in flames. __________________ *Support Our Troops* How Very Fortunate You Are To Have Two Arms To Put Into A Ward 57 T-Shirt. DC MEMBERS ~ PLEASE BUY A WARD 57 SHIRT. Click Here.

May 3rd, 2008, 05:50 PM	#17
mavrik46 Distinguished Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Posts: 1,287	Well, I just emailed my State Senator respectfully asking him to oppose this bill, and will be calling my State Representative's office on Monday to respectfully ask him to oppose it also if it makes it to the House. And George, thanks for the heads up. I had heard a rumor of this but it turns out it wasn't just a rumor. __________________ Greg Kimber Pro Raptor Les Baer Extreme Tactical Stoeger Cougar 8000 Ruger SP101 It's not what you go thru in life, but how you go thru it.

May 3rd, 2008, 06:34 PM	#18
bobcat35 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 499	i wonder if any of the legislaters realise that the united states surpasses even the anti gun UN standards for ammo marking and traceability? __________________ shout shove show shoot. and if that don't work call for some arty. "Sir i understand that this is just a food drop. The trouble is nobody remembered to tell the enemy that" five reasons to stay in iraq http://www.thefinalrollcall.us/Pow~Mia.html

May 3rd, 2008, 12:52 PM	#15
falcon1 VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,883	The "no-grandfathering" provision was in the Tennessee bill also. These "legislators" (not the term I was originally going to use) all went to a conference somewhere sponsored by the usual suspects and all picked up the same legislation to bring home to their respective state houses.

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