Disckson City, PA steal gun and violate 2nd amendment as well as other laws! - Page 3

paramedic70002 · May 12th, 2008, 01:32 AM

It's Deja Vu Virginia all over again. Weee!

ccw9mm · May 12th, 2008, 01:48 AM

It will be interesting to see the outcome of this.

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Originally Posted by SixBravo

Having said that, I am curious what prompted the officers to begin checking all of their guns and asking for ID.

Lacking any other statement to the contrary, it appears as though the call of "men with guns" in a public establishment was the cause.

sojourner · May 12th, 2008, 08:55 AM

I am in PA and I find what happened to be an injustice wrt the confiscation and the official "oppression".

At the absolute minimum, the people should receive written apology by the officers and leadership of those responding. And that the LEO get trained on the laws and be directed to never again overstep their authority (with some oversight of the training by NRA, 2A lawyers or somebody to keep them honest.). That would never happen. LEO Agency backing down to some "rabble rousers" who try to hold the LEO to the law. How dare they!!!. If this is pushed to ensure our freedoms, it would appear that the LEO agencies will have to be drug yelling and screaming into conformance by litigation.

I just do not have the intestinal fortitude to OC in PA; However, I wholeheartedly support those who do.

jcheinaman, gnbrotz and Pro2A - please keep us informed so we can contribute or help out the cause in whatever ways we feel comfortable.

Kerbouchard · May 12th, 2008, 09:22 AM

Gun Registry, Papers Please, Proof of Ownership, Gun confiscation...
These aren't the freedoms the military told us we were fighting for.

How did we let ourselves get to this point?

Pro2A · May 12th, 2008, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerbouchard

Gun Registry, Papers Please, Proof of Ownership, Gun confiscation...
These aren't the freedoms the military told us we were fighting for.

How did we let ourselves get to this point?

By slowly allowing our rights to be taken bit by bit. Its the frog in boiling water...

DrinaLynn · May 12th, 2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TacticalCompact

Sounds to me like the people with "no respect for authority" were wearing uniforms. Authority is not a person, or people. Authority is power, which is held by people. The people holding such authority are supposed to respect that authority even moreso than those they hold said authority over.

Refusing to cooperate with an illegal search and seizure is certainly not indicative of such a lack of respect for authority. Conducting one, however, is.

I hope this turns out well for whoever was in the right. From what I've read, it was clearly not the police.

Very well put!

mcp1810 · May 12th, 2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ccw9mm

It will be interesting to see the outcome of this.

Lacking any other statement to the contrary, it appears as though the call of "men with guns" in a public establishment was the cause.

Unless there was an allegation of illegal conduct by any of them the officers should not have even been dispatched.
Reread the article and substitute "I-pod" anytime a firearm is mentioned. How reasonable do the officers actions appear now? What should the call taker have done? They should have informed the caller that the situation they have described does not constitute a violation of the law and police will not be responding at this time.

JD · May 12th, 2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mcp1810

Unless there was an allegation of illegal conduct by any of them the officers should not have even been dispatched.
Reread the article and substitute "I-pod" anytime a firearm is mentioned. How reasonable do the officers actions appear now? What should the call taker have done? They should have informed the caller that the situation they have described does not constitute a violation of the law and police will not be responding at this time.

That all depends on how the call was worded to dispatch, and how the dispatcher worded the call to the responding units, I'm sure the parties involved will obtain the related phone and radio traffic under the FOIA and see exactly what was said to who.

Given this whole scenario, I'm betting that the

who made the call in the first place was not inclined to give out details as to the actual actions of those armed. I'd LOVE to actually hear the 911 call off the recorder, if even for a brief moment if the caller just states that the armed individuals are eating peacefully, the officers involved are done like dinner. If it's some frantic anti making a stink and and giving out wrongful information IE (insert sniveling sheep voice here) There are people with guns here making trouble and I'm scared...etc, etc. I might almost understand the actions of the PD.

Either way, the responding LEOs made some grievous mistakes and some heads are going to roll.

kazzaerexys · May 12th, 2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

If it's some frantic anti making a stink and and giving out wrongful information IE (insert sniveling sheep voice here) There are people with guns here making trouble and I'm scared...etc, etc. I might almost understand the actions of the PD.

Whereupon I also would love to see said 911-caller get the ever-lovin'

sued out of him/her.

Supertac45 · May 12th, 2008, 06:30 PM

I'd find a excellent attorney that is licensed in Federal Court and proceed to sue both Officers beyond their wildest dreams for Constitutional violations.

May 12th, 2008, 01:32 AM	#21
paramedic70002 Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Franklin, VA Posts: 1,669	It's Deja Vu Virginia all over again. Weee! __________________ Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But... Paramedics With Guns Scare People!

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Supertac45 VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan's U.P. Posts: 2,780	I'd find a excellent attorney that is licensed in Federal Court and proceed to sue both Officers beyond their wildest dreams for Constitutional violations. __________________ Les Baer 45 Sig Man N.R.A. Patron Life Member M.C.R.G.O.

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May 12th, 2008, 08:55 AM	#23
sojourner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: PA Posts: 980	I am in PA and I find what happened to be an injustice wrt the confiscation and the official "oppression". At the absolute minimum, the people should receive written apology by the officers and leadership of those responding. And that the LEO get trained on the laws and be directed to never again overstep their authority (with some oversight of the training by NRA, 2A lawyers or somebody to keep them honest.). That would never happen. LEO Agency backing down to some "rabble rousers" who try to hold the LEO to the law. How dare they!!!. If this is pushed to ensure our freedoms, it would appear that the LEO agencies will have to be drug yelling and screaming into conformance by litigation. I just do not have the intestinal fortitude to OC in PA; However, I wholeheartedly support those who do. jcheinaman, gnbrotz and Pro2A - please keep us informed so we can contribute or help out the cause in whatever ways we feel comfortable.