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Old May 12th, 2008, 11:27 PM   #41
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Ummm, how about Robbery? The misinformed LEO illegally confiscated/stole a firearm based on, what? A call that men had guns? Oh, my! Lock 'em up and throw away the key!

A governmental agency confiscated a firearm from a law abiding citizen. The firearm was not illegal. The 'suspect' was doing nothing illegal. The officer went to far, this time.

Unfortunately, situations like this are not all that uncommon. Unfortunately for the LEO, this upstanding citizen was not a pushover and actually knew his rights and the law.

We hear all the time that ignorance of the law is no excuse. I kind of think the guys 'enforcing' the laws should at least know the law(or call a supervisor if they are unsure). Call me crazy.
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Old May 13th, 2008, 02:01 AM   #42
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It would seem that at least some of the officers present were aware of the laws but chose to ignore them.

The police report should be interesting as well as the video that was taken and the numerous witness testimonies.
Don't know how much video there was taken because the female officer threatened the woman with the vid cam with arrest if she did not stop videotaping, according to the write up. Sounds like another violation right there if true.
If it went down as described, I'd really like to see a lawsuit go forward. Hope we hear more of this incident.

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Old May 13th, 2008, 02:45 AM   #43
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If you do not break the law then nothing will happen to you. Similarly, if LEO does not break the law nothing will happen to them. If the people involved (yes, people) were not aware of the laws then they will be instructed as to their proper response.



Well, we only know one side of the story. We here are very familiar with gun laws but it is only a miniscule part of the responsibilites of LEO.



No one was arrested. Everyone went home. Maybe some bruised feelings but, in the final analysis, no one was any worse for wear. People need to understand that they may, from time to time, be inconvenienced. There is no right not to be inconvenienced.

There is no story here...let's move along.
Being cuffed and stuffed and having your property illegally searched and seized because of ignorance of the [non-] law is MUCH more than a mere inconvenience.

I like how the article was written up with the supporting case law citations, and they at least tried to post the other side of the story- the mysteriously absent official police report- in an attempt of fairness.
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Old May 13th, 2008, 06:04 AM   #44
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There is no right not to be inconvenienced.

There is no story here...let's move along.
"Move along." Hm.

There IS, indeed, a right to not be harassed with baseless, I'm-the-authority-so-THERE type accusations. Secure from unreasonable (unfounded, groundless) searches, seizures, and all that. How much more unreasonable should it have been, to qualify?
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Old May 13th, 2008, 06:14 AM   #45
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No one was arrested.
WRONG. Mr. Banks was absolutely placed under arrest. He was informed as much. Ultimately he was not charged (because there was nothing to charge him with) and was never transported from the scene, but was in custody, in handcuffs and in the back of a cruiser for a couple of hours.
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Old May 13th, 2008, 06:53 AM   #46
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No one was arrested. Everyone went home. Maybe some bruised feelings but, in the final analysis, no one was any worse for wear. People need to understand that they may, from time to time, be inconvenienced. There is no right not to be inconvenienced.

There is no story here...let's move along.
Did you read the same article/story that the rest of us did?

It may not be the whole story (The whole story is rarely learned by listening to one side). However, the facts as represented, definitely constitute a "Story". A clear violation of the law by the LEO involved. Even if it was completely unintentional and accidental it is inexcusable. I am not exempt from punishment for comitting a crime due to ingorance of the law. Neither are the LEO.
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Old May 13th, 2008, 08:16 AM   #47
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No one was arrested. Everyone went home. Maybe some bruised feelings but, in the final analysis, no one was any worse for wear. People need to understand that they may, from time to time, be inconvenienced. There is no right not to be inconvenienced.

There is no story here...let's move along.
Some one was arrested, property was stolen,rights were violated and the cops did not know or just simply disregarded the law.

How can you have a constitution avatar and say lets move along...
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Old May 13th, 2008, 08:25 AM   #48
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No one was arrested. Everyone went home. Maybe some bruised feelings but, in the final analysis, no one was any worse for wear. People need to understand that they may, from time to time, be inconvenienced. There is no right not to be inconvenienced.

There is no story here...let's move along.
Your kidding.......Right? If your not, remember, loss of freedoms is one step at a time. If we simply "move along" then we can erect a statue of all the anti gunners with our melted hardware. I have followed several of your post and I just don't get where you come from. I do accept the 2nd amendment helps protect the 1st.
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Old May 13th, 2008, 08:27 AM   #49
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If you do not break the law then nothing will happen to you. Similarly, if LEO does not break the law nothing will happen to them. If the people involved (yes, people) were not aware of the laws then they will be instructed as to their proper response.
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Well, we only know one side of the story. We here are very familiar with gun laws but it is only a miniscule part of the responsibilites of LEO.
The police have the right to publish the story. Why are the mute about the subject? Is it because they do not want to share their side of the story? If they had one shred of evidence that they could stretch to some vague charge, they would have made the charge and then held a public conference to show how they got guns off the street. And we now know why the police are not sharing their side of the story (it is not flattering to them).

Even if it is a miniscule part of the LEO's responsibilities, it is a part of his/her responsibilities. There is no excuse for either not knowing or not finding out immediately and immediately rectifying the situation (without putting the real victims through the ringer).

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No one was arrested. Everyone went home. Maybe some bruised feelings but, in the final analysis, no one was any worse for wear. People need to understand that they may, from time to time, be inconvenienced. There is no right not to be inconvenienced.
Wrong. Someone was arrested (cuffed and stuffed would be arrested). Not charged, because there were no charges to be able to drum up. How about the person cuffed and stuffed? I would say he is worse for wear. How about the husband who had his firearm taken from him? And not returned to him (but his wife)?

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There is no story here...let's move along.
That's what you want people to believe. You are flat out wrong here.

Pennsylvania citizens are peacefully asserting their 2A rights. And it is an uphill battle because most do not know the 2A laws (including police). And the asserting of their rights inconveniences the police. The police then push beyond their legal authority.

This will unfold the way things did in VA. It is a story, it will be a story and hopefully it will have a good ending where the majority in PA people and all the LEO in PA are aware of our rights and where the relationship between LEO and non-LEO in PA improves.
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Old May 13th, 2008, 01:41 PM   #50
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This will unfold the way things did in VA. It is a story, it will be a story and hopefully it will have a good ending where the majority in PA people and all the LEO in PA are aware of our rights and where the relationship between LEO and non-LEO in PA improves.
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