UNR Police Chief and his officers prefer executions to defensive shootings. - Page 2

press1280 · May 22nd, 2008, 09:17 AM

UNR Police Chief Adam Garcia said the police department would also be against any proposals to allow permit carriers to carry guns on campus, though they would enforce the policy if it did become law.

“Most police officers would rather respond to a shooting, not a shootout,” Garcia

When I first saw that I thought he meant he'd rather the BG be executed rather than simply shot.
I'd rather be involved in a shootout than on the receiving end of a shooting. Anyone see it the other way around?

randytulsa2 · May 22nd, 2008, 10:38 AM

I don't think Chief Garcia really cares what happens- he wants the shooting to be done by the time his officers get there. Not particularly praiseworthy, but understandable.

I'll bet it doesn't matter to him whether there's one nut case who murders his ex-wife and then shoots himself, a nut case who murders a dozen innocents or a legally armed citizen who shoots the nut case. So long as the shooting is done before his guys get there.

Having said that, he probably would oppose any move expanding the legalization of places where anyone but an LEO could carry a gun. Why? Surprisingly, it's not because he's the devil incarnate; it's because he doesn't want his officers to have to waste valuable time thinking. If someone besides one of their own has a gun, the officers can just classify that person as "hostile" and act accordingly. It simplifies things.

It is, as others have pointed out, a perspective widely shared by those administrators who are desk and chair-bound, the number-crunchers, etc.

It isn't a point of view adhered to by people who face danger, though.

biasedbulldog · June 28th, 2008, 03:26 AM

While I can't say I blame him in general for not getting too excited about having to show up in the midst of the shootout, this in particular seems incredibly cowardly and outrageously stupid.

I can also understand, from an LEO perspective, the problems inherent there -- that is, if they're responding to an active shooter, they take out the first guy they see shooting. But if they here that there's a GG and a BG shooting at each other while they respond... that puts them in a tough position. They can't just shoot and ask questions later, but they risk crippling and endangering themselves and everyone else by waiting until they can figure out who is who. Perhaps my greatest fear (unlikely and irrational though it may be) is getting accidentally taken out by a fellow CCW'er or an LEO with good intentions but poor discernment.

Still, he's basically saying, "I'd rather have a dozen dead and a clear BG than to have to figure out whose the BG and who is defending himself and others." Incredible. Appalling. Ridiculous. This guy is supposed to serve and protect?

sgtD · June 28th, 2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by biasedbulldog

I can also understand, from an LEO perspective, the problems inherent there -- that is, if they're responding to an active shooter, they take out the first guy they see shooting. But if they here that there's a GG and a BG shooting at each other while they respond... that puts them in a tough position. They can't just shoot and ask questions later, but they risk crippling and endangering themselves and everyone else by waiting until they can figure out who is who.

Irrelevant!

They don't arrive on scene and get mixed up in the shooting anyway.
They stand behind their cars outside and wait till the shooter commits suicide, then they go in. See Columbine thru V. Tech.

The best person to stop the threat is not the cop who responds to the call and has to figure out what the deal is.

The best person to stop the threat is someone who is on scene and knows the score, ie. an armed potential victim. See Apalachian Law School shooting thru Colorado Church shooting.

DaveH · June 29th, 2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

I think any sane person would rather respond to a shooting vs. a shootout... I dont see the big deal about that statement.

Prefer as in my own personal safety?

Or

Prefer as in achieving my goal of protecting and serving?

May 22nd, 2008, 09:17 AM	#11
press1280 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WV Posts: 381	UNR Police Chief Adam Garcia said the police department would also be against any proposals to allow permit carriers to carry guns on campus, though they would enforce the policy if it did become law. “Most police officers would rather respond to a shooting, not a shootout,” Garcia When I first saw that I thought he meant he'd rather the BG be executed rather than simply shot. I'd rather be involved in a shootout than on the receiving end of a shooting. Anyone see it the other way around? __________________ And if the cabin door of the freedman is broken open and the intruder enters for purposes as vile as were known to slavery, then should a well-loaded musket be in the hand of the occupant to send the polluted wretch to another world, where his wretchedness will forever remain complete

May 22nd, 2008, 10:38 AM	#12
randytulsa2 Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,446	I don't think Chief Garcia really cares what happens- he wants the shooting to be done by the time his officers get there. Not particularly praiseworthy, but understandable. I'll bet it doesn't matter to him whether there's one nut case who murders his ex-wife and then shoots himself, a nut case who murders a dozen innocents or a legally armed citizen who shoots the nut case. So long as the shooting is done before his guys get there. Having said that, he probably would oppose any move expanding the legalization of places where anyone but an LEO could carry a gun. Why? Surprisingly, it's not because he's the devil incarnate; it's because he doesn't want his officers to have to waste valuable time thinking. If someone besides one of their own has a gun, the officers can just classify that person as "hostile" and act accordingly. It simplifies things. It is, as others have pointed out, a perspective widely shared by those administrators who are desk and chair-bound, the number-crunchers, etc. It isn't a point of view adhered to by people who face danger, though. __________________ "...bad decisions that turn out well often make heroes." Gary D. Mitchell, A Sniper's Journey: The Truth About the Man and the Rifle, P. 103, NAL Caliber books, 2006, 1st Ed.

June 28th, 2008, 03:26 AM	#13
biasedbulldog Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 243	While I can't say I blame him in general for not getting too excited about having to show up in the midst of the shootout, this in particular seems incredibly cowardly and outrageously stupid. I can also understand, from an LEO perspective, the problems inherent there -- that is, if they're responding to an active shooter, they take out the first guy they see shooting. But if they here that there's a GG and a BG shooting at each other while they respond... that puts them in a tough position. They can't just shoot and ask questions later, but they risk crippling and endangering themselves and everyone else by waiting until they can figure out who is who. Perhaps my greatest fear (unlikely and irrational though it may be) is getting accidentally taken out by a fellow CCW'er or an LEO with good intentions but poor discernment. Still, he's basically saying, "I'd rather have a dozen dead and a clear BG than to have to figure out whose the BG and who is defending himself and others." Incredible. Appalling. Ridiculous. This guy is supposed to serve and protect? __________________ "War necessarily brings with it some virtues, and great and heroic virtues too. What horrid creatures we men are, that we cannot be virtuous without murdering one another?" -John Adams Last edited by biasedbulldog; June 28th, 2008 at 03:26 AM. Reason: Word choice

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