retsupt99

Thanks!

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matiki

So why do many liberals have a problem with the Second Amendment? Why do so many of them lump gun owners into the category of "gun nuts"? Why do so many of them complain about the "radical extremist agenda of the NRA"? Why do so many of them argue for greater restrictions?

There we go... no longer complaining about someone doing the same thing to you that you're doing to them.

I thought it was really good, minus a few details.

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goldshellback

Very profound and well thought out.

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madmunky40

Excellent read. Most articles i skim over quickly, this one had me reading slower and getting more out of it.

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DPro.40

That was a great read. I hope Obama got his copy.

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packinnova

An honest answer from me? And I don't intend to get you fired up, but you did ask and open the door. I don't think it's just a second amendment view. I know of liberals who own firearms and will fight for their second amendment rights. I don't believe all republicans are good either. I don't trust either head of that 3-headed snake in our government(Dems, Repubs, Libs). I think labeling one's self as a Democrat, Republican, or Liberal is a cop-out. It's a way to excuse one from thinking for one's self. "So and so congresscritter is a dem, repub or lib and I like their views, therefore I am a dem, lib or repub."

However, I view "liberals" as they are loosely defined(which means they could be Democrat, Republican, or "liberal" politically) as no better than robbers, thieves, and kings. I take it a step further than most here probably do. I have a tendency to be honest(which usually translates to BLUNT).

Liberals effectively use the government as a strong-arm to rob from me, whether it be in the form of money, work or effort, and either use it themselves or give it to someone else who didn't earn it and doesn't deserve it. They seem to be under the delusion that some random collective of people have more value than the individual. Sorry, but you asked.

I value the rights of the individual above all others. These days I consider myself a slave. I produce a good or a value and someone else consumes it. The fruits of my effort is not a collective pool for everyone to dip what they need out.

Ok...back on topic before I get a nasty-mod-gram in my box.
Excellent article though.

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pgrass101

lib·er·al Pronunciation Key - [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
–adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.


con·serv·a·tive Pronunciation Key [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv]
–adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.
4. (often initial capital letter) of or pertaining to the Conservative party.
5. (initial capital letter) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
6. having the power or tendency to conserve; preservative.
7. Mathematics. (of a vector or vector function) having curl equal to zero; irrotational; lamellar.
–noun
8. a person who is conservative in principles, actions, habits, etc.
9. a supporter of conservative political policies.
10. (initial capital letter) a member of a conservative political party, esp. the Conservative party in Great Britain.
11. a preservative.

I am a libearl in the fact I want more personal liberty

I am conservative in the fact I think there should be some constraints on personal liberty.

Good article

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JonInNY

Firstly, I must admit, that I am a (centrist) democrat.

This was a very well written article. I am obviously, (though probably in the minority of democrats), very pro 2nd amendment. ALL the amendments were put there for a reason, and ratified by all the states (at the time), and congress as well.

I feel it's wrong to exclude the 2A as a "right-wing" agenda, because it certainly isn't. It's there for all the people.

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kazzaerexys

Courtesy of Wikipedia:

Liberalism is the product of the Enlightenment notion that individual people have intrinsic worth, as opposed to classical thinking that treated people merely in classes (peasant or aristocrat, for example). At that time, conservatives were people who held to the traditional class-based political model.

When the 20th century saw liberal thought evolve towards socialism, the new conservatism became the 19th century liberalism.

So, at the moment, political ideologies that refer to themselves as "Liberal" would (for the most part) better be called Socialist or Statist (big government, and more worried about "the people" in some abstract sense than as individuals), and so-called Conservatives are really just classical liberals. (And, clearly enough, one can be Statist or classically liberal no matter what one's chosen party is, even though there are obviously some strong correlations.)

The quoted article, while providing a low dosage of Democrat party talking points, is a very good recitation of classical liberalism, and does a great job of placing the 2A in a proper context. Our Founding Fathers were, to a man, liberals (in that original Enlightenment sense of the word).

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randytulsa2

I'm a liberal, and this really hits the nail on the head.

I don't understand the idiocy of some (most)(hell, let's be honest: almost all) of my brethren on the issue. It baffles me.

Very weird, inconsistent thinking. Alice-in-wonderland logic. Weenies.

But you know, you don't have to try too hard to find some right-wingers who love their bolt-action .270's and their $ 1,100.00 over-and-under bird guns, but who believe that our menacing black rifles have no legitimate purpose and can (should) be outlawed forthwith. Think Zumbo.

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