NO Guns stores in DC but LOOK WHO HAS A LICENSE!!!! - Page 4

Cupcake · July 1st, 2008, 04:35 PM

I still don't get why he would jump through the hoops and pay the fees for a license. What does he get out of it? Why would he care if he lost it?

DaveH · July 1st, 2008, 05:06 PM

Why not also start a blitz of LTE around the country?

See if we can get a little publicity nationally, outside our own ranks.

Also, how about a blitz of letters to BATFE asking what inspection records reveal and if he is in violation, why the privileged status?

DaveH · July 1st, 2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cupcake

I still don't get why he would jump through the hoops and pay the fees for a license. What does he get out of it?

To attend events that require a FFL?

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Why would he care if he lost it?

Because of the publicity, if we can make it happen.

kazzaerexys · July 1st, 2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cupcake

I still don't get why he would jump through the hoops and pay the fees for a license. What does he get out of it? Why would he care if he lost it?

Because he is VPC's (i.e., Brady Bunch's) ticket into trade-only gatherings and fora.

And if it gets taken away then the Brady Bunch gets a black eye. That's plenty good enough for me!

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Originally Posted by mrreynolds

Did you realize that you have certified to the government that your FFL is a "principal source of livelihood and profit?"

Exactly, sir, and that is how the antis, with the help of a Clinton BATFE, put a lot of small FFLs out of business. So, making an issue of Sugarmann's license is nice way to hoist the punks by their own petard!

(Petards, being Destructive Devices, are of course illegal and non-registerable in the District according to DC Code § 7-2501.01(7)...)

mrreynolds · July 1st, 2008, 06:05 PM

Does that not give them full access to the NICS???

DaveH · July 1st, 2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye72

My question is, if they do not have any FFL dealers in DC, how did the people purchase the long guns they were allowed to own?

See: LIS > Code of Virginia > 18.2-308.2:2

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B
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5. Notwithstanding any other provisions of this section, rifles and shotguns may be purchased by persons who are citizens of the United States or persons lawfully admitted for permanent residence but residents of other states under the terms of subsections A and B upon furnishing the dealer with proof of citizenship or status as a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence and one photo-identification form issued by a governmental agency of the person's state of residence and one other form of identification determined to be acceptable by the Department of Criminal Justice Services.

and

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C. No dealer shall sell, rent, trade or transfer from his inventory any firearm, except when the transaction involves a rifle or a shotgun and can be accomplished pursuant to the provisions of subdivision B 5 to any person who is not a resident of Virginia unless he has first obtained from the Department of State Police a report indicating that a search of all available criminal history record information has not disclosed that the person is prohibited from possessing or transporting a firearm under state or federal law. The dealer shall obtain the required report by mailing or delivering the written consent form required under subsection A to the State Police within 24 hours of its execution. If the dealer has complied with the provisions of this subsection and has not received the required report from the State Police within 10 days from the date the written consent form was mailed to the Department of State Police, he shall not be deemed in violation of this section for thereafter completing the sale or transfer.

rmarkob · July 1st, 2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye72

My question is, if they do not have any FFL dealers in DC, how did the people purchase the long guns they were allowed to own?

I understand it used to be that long guns, unlike handguns, could be bought in neighboring states as long as they're contiguous. I've heard that restriction has been dropped from federal law, although many states still have that language in state firearm laws. Under that standard DC residents could purchase in MD and VA, unless DC forbids it (it probably does/did).

Here's the relevant section of GCA of 1968 ATF - The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618:

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§ 178.29 Out-of-State acquisition of firearms by nonlicensees.

No person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, shall transport into or receive in the State where the person resides (or if a corporation or other business entity, where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State: Provided, That the provisions of this section:

(a) Shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State;

(b) Shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a rifle or shotgun obtained from a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector in a State other than the transferee's State of residence in an over-the-counter transaction at the licensee's premises obtained in conformity with the provisions of § 178.96(c); and

(c) Shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with the provisions of §§ 178.30 and 178.97.

Sergeant Mac · July 1st, 2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreynolds

Did you realize that you have certified to the government that your FFL is a "principal source of livelihood and profit?"

Methinks you misunderstand.

There's a difference between what you wrote and "with the principal objective of livelihood and profit".

In other words, they just want you to be running it as a BUSINESS, rather than as a HOBBY.

(no reason it can't be both)

I am aware of three FFL holders in my community. Firearms sales are the primary SOURCE of profit for only one.

press1280 · July 1st, 2008, 10:09 PM

Does an FFL allow you to buy a fully auto weapon?

Rob99VMI04 · July 1st, 2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by press1280

Does an FFL allow you to buy a fully auto weapon?

Certain FFL's do but probably not the one that they have.

July 1st, 2008, 04:35 PM	#31
Cupcake VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,637	I still don't get why he would jump through the hoops and pay the fees for a license. What does he get out of it? Why would he care if he lost it? __________________ 30lbs gone. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] www.zerotoathlete.blogspot.com My journey to fitness.

July 1st, 2008, 05:06 PM	#32
DaveH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 608	Other ideas Why not also start a blitz of LTE around the country? See if we can get a little publicity nationally, outside our own ranks. Also, how about a blitz of letters to BATFE asking what inspection records reveal and if he is in violation, why the privileged status? __________________ I am neither a lawyer, nor I do not play one on television or on the Internet. I hope no one assumes that I am giving legal advice. Veni, Vidi, Velcro

July 1st, 2008, 06:05 PM	#35
mrreynolds Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Harlem, NY Posts: 348	Does that not give them full access to the NICS??? __________________ www.SmallArmz.info - Harlem, NYC I Can't Carry Here But I'm A Member Of The NRA. Are You? Impact Guns / U.S. Concealed Carry SAF,GOA,NYSPRA,NRA Life,Pro-Gun NH

July 1st, 2008, 10:09 PM	#39
press1280 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WV Posts: 369	Does an FFL allow you to buy a fully auto weapon? __________________ And if the cabin door of the freedman is broken open and the intruder enters for purposes as vile as were known to slavery, then should a well-loaded musket be in the hand of the occupant to send the polluted wretch to another world, where his wretchedness will forever remain complete

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