Security Guard Plans To Challenge Disney By Bringing Gun To Work ? - Page 2

Cupcake · July 5th, 2008, 08:57 AM

the poll is 90/10, our favor.

Blue · July 5th, 2008, 09:37 AM

As a retired mining and tunneling engineer I have to agree with CCW9mm that there is a distinct and verifiable difference between fireworks and explosives. However, both Disney and the media know that the general public does not understand that and are using in an attempt to sway public opinion, as well as defend a weak stance.

Also in the wording of the poll as well as most of the articles I have read, they neglect to mention that the law is to keep the firearm locked in the vehicle in the parking lot while the owner is inside the facility, at work. All most refer to is to "take a gun to work " with them.

Once again the media spining the facts to serve their agenda in its simplest form.

dang.45 · July 5th, 2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagleks

What's interesting... they never found a gun in his car, because he never allowed them to search it. He can file suit in court against "unlawful search" .... and never even get into whether he did or didn't have a gun in there.

He should have let them search, assuming he is trying to challenge Disney's specific claim that he can't have a gun secured in his private vehicle. I presume, as others have, that there is language in his employment contract allowing them to search at their discretion, and that refusal to allow such searches is itself grounds for suspension or dismissal. So now he has been suspended for refusal to grant the search, which he has already either implicitly or explicitly said they have the right to do (by signing whatever forms are required to work there).

To be able to challenge their stance against weapons in employee's private vehicles, he has to be disciplined for having a weapon in his vehicle. I could be wrong, but that is what makes sense to me. He screwed up, and may not get the chance to actually make his challenge. Too bad...

retsupt99 · July 5th, 2008, 10:17 AM

Voted...

91%

9%

Double Naught Spy · July 5th, 2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cupcake

the poll is 90/10, our favor.

...but the employee is still 100% suspended.

David in FL · July 5th, 2008, 10:27 AM

91%/9%.

Guess what, though? The Giant Rat doesn't care what we think.......

C Paul Lincoln · July 5th, 2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by David in FL

Guess what, though? The Giant Rat doesn't care what we think.......

Actually, the corporate rats might -- if they are contacted by enough pro-rights potential customers who say they and their families will boycott Disney parks and products so long as the corporation discriminates against those who exercise their rights.

The real influence might be with Disney's subsidiaries, like ABC. Don't write only to ABC -- write to their advertisers and tell them why you aren't watching that network any longer.

InspectorGadget · July 5th, 2008, 11:23 AM

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July 5th, 2008 at 8:54 am
From WFTV Channel 9 Orlando
“Security Guard Plans To Challenge Disney By Bringing Gun To Work”

This violates the US Constitutions right to Self Defense, Florida Constitutions Right to self defense and specifically Edwin Sotomayer’s right to defend himself IAW Heller during his commute to and from work. This is not about having a Gun at your desk “Guns to Work”, it is about having a way to defend yourself when you go home at 2 in the morning in a high crime area.

My question is will you (ACLU Lawyers) be defending his right to self defense under the BOR or will you be defending Disney. I see 1 of three things happening:

1. You defend Disney and the Gun Banning Groups. (Expected)

2. Remain silent and not Defend in court a man that wants a way to defend himself from criminals during his work commute through a high crime area. (Possible).

3. ACLU Vigorously and Publically defends Edwin Sotomayer’s right to self defense (Unlikely, even with both Heller and Warren (Warren v DC 1981 which concludes that no individual has a right to individual protection by the police.))

? Do you stand for the Bill Of Rights or do you stand for Left Wing Anti Gun agendas ?

I posted this question to the ACLU I am curious how people react there?

I also posted this under the ACLU Blog thread. I an not sure if posting twice in 2 seperate relevant threads is considered OK or not. If so could a moderator let me know and I will not do it again?

ccman · July 5th, 2008, 12:54 PM

Easy. Take away Disney's fireworks license and off to work they can go.

obxned · July 5th, 2008, 06:37 PM

The whole Disney attitude bothers me. They seem to think they are above the law and that their faithful workers are just peons. They do not need my family's business.

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July 5th, 2008, 10:17 AM	#14
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 14,603	Voted... 91% 9% __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

July 5th, 2008, 06:37 PM	#20
obxned Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OBX, NC Posts: 1,736	The whole Disney attitude bothers me. They seem to think they are above the law and that their faithful workers are just peons. They do not need my family's business. __________________ http://www.obxammo.com/ There is only one gun law in this country, the 2nd Amendment. All else is bureaucratic nonsense that I choose to comply with or not at my discretion. When governments make laws, they must consider the unintended consequences.

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July 5th, 2008, 09:37 AM	#12
Blue Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 91	As a retired mining and tunneling engineer I have to agree with CCW9mm that there is a distinct and verifiable difference between fireworks and explosives. However, both Disney and the media know that the general public does not understand that and are using in an attempt to sway public opinion, as well as defend a weak stance. Also in the wording of the poll as well as most of the articles I have read, they neglect to mention that the law is to keep the firearm locked in the vehicle in the parking lot while the owner is inside the facility, at work. All most refer to is to "take a gun to work " with them. Once again the media spining the facts to serve their agenda in its simplest form.

July 5th, 2008, 10:27 AM	#16
David in FL Distinguished Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,700	91%/9%. Guess what, though? The Giant Rat doesn't care what we think.......

July 5th, 2008, 12:54 PM	#19
ccman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: CT,USA. Posts: 561	Easy. Take away Disney's fireworks license and off to work they can go.