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Property rights only extend until they interfere with someones CIVIL RIGHTS

We aren't talking about guns IN the work place, this is about guns AT the workplace. While some may say it's the same, I have to say NOT. In a bldg/ofc is not the same as in a parking lot.

We have a right (2A ) that shall not be infringed.

If the rules at B prevent exercising that right from A and back, IT HAS BEEN INFRINGED.

Until a couple of weeks ago, I would disarm in the parking lot and rearm after work. While this was not a requirement( no stated anti gun policy ), it was a personal choice. Situation changed.( If they are brazen enough to walk out with thousands in electronics, what are they going to do if caught and confronted. ) Now, if I'm awake I'm armed.

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Bob The Great

I'm using the term property rights in the sense that all rights (the civil ones too) stem from the concept of property.

My life is my property, and my ability to defend it directly affects that property. Therefore, the right to self-defense is a form of property right because it allows me to protect my property (my life).

Because this is about private businesses disarming their employees, it's not a 2nd amendment issue per se, since the 2A applies to government bodies only (hopefully soon to include state and local after it gets incorporated).

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CURMUDGEON5

How will they know your gun is in your car?
What gives them the legal right to enter your car?

Kerbouchard

There is no legal right for an employer to search a vehicle. They must obtain consent, or the police must have a warrant or PC. As it was never illegal to carry a weapon on to most employers parking lots, the police and legalities, have nothing to do with it.

All it has to do with is the employee handbook and/or list of policies that the employee signed and volunteered to consent with as terms of his employment. The new law is about employees violating their terms of contract, getting dismissed/fired, and being upset about it. It was never about legal consequences for breaking company policy. It was only about financial consequences, in the form of being fired, for violating a contract.

Apparently, the states of LA and FL do not believe a party should have consequences for violating a contract.

As far as it being a 2A thing, it most assuredly is not. The Bill of Rights was never meant to be anything other than a limitation on the government powers, in which those limitations have been surpassed by a corrupt government by leaps and bounds.

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Eagleks

However.... the United States was built on protecting the individual's rights as well.... and those who are doing something legal, and in which they have a right to do, not be infringed upon by someone else.

It's normally a Public Accessible parking lot that we're talking about. So, if you OK this for employers.... does it go for the property owners of Malls, Stores, etc. as well ??? At what point... will you not even be able to carry a gun or have one in your car ? You won't.

And , when that employee leaves that place of work.... they have essentially stopped them from exercising their right to conceal carry that gun, because it's sitting at home. So, guess we'll throw away conceal carry while we are at it.

I can't believe that some are not considering the ramifications of this. I CANNOT conceal carry 90% of the time, even though I have a license.... because I cannot put my gun in my car while I am at work. So, when I run to places after I get off work and on the way home..... it's just tough. All because of my employer ?? They've made that decision for me, and taken away my rights... even when I'm OFF of their property. Hell, why bother getting a conceal carry license, it doesn't do any good.

I can't believe some of the posts that I'm reading here.

HotGuns

Last summer we had an employee leave work and stop to get something at Walmart. While he was there, he was confronted by an illegal alien that he had been in ongoing dispute with over a woman, the man jumped into his truck, pulled a knife and stabbed him in the lip.A stuggle ensued, he had cuts on his arm and barely had time to draw his .380 and shoot the illegal though both legs. The dude then jumped out of the truck and the driver left the scene.

I even wrote about it here. It was ruled a justifiabe shoot and no charges were pressed by the Prosecuting attorney.

Had he left his gun at home, it could have been much worse. Had our workplace disallowed guns in vehicles in the parking lot, this could have been another case where someone that was doing right by his employer, got killed for doing so.

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paramedic70002

The government makes private businesses comply with all manner of topics that are not mentioned in the constitution. But they can't mandate that property owners respect something that is mentioned in the constitution?

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Bob The Great

It's more about what is reasonable for an employer to control with his policies. The employment contract can be changed by the employer at any time without the consent of all parties, which makes it difficult to analyze as a traditional written contract between two people. The only remedy people have if they don't like the change is to end the contract, which often results in more severe consequences (financial or not) than simply following the new rules. This basically gives the employer near unlimited power, and destroys the concept of a contract, which provides bounds to an agreement between two parties.

Is it reasonable for an employer to put anything in his employee handbook and then fire people for not complying? Can he one day put out a new handbook that requires all employees to sell their houses and live in cardboard boxes across the street from his business? Can he forbid his employees from voting for certain candidates? Can he prohibit them from owning firearms altogether? If they don't like it, they can quit, right?

Of course, all of those are ridiculous. They are not within the property rights of the employer, therefore it is an unreasonable requirement of employment. It gives the employer power over his employees' property.

Likewise, allowing him to prohibit carrying a firearm while driving to or from work extends the employer's control outside of his property and over-rides the property rights of his employees. He most definitely does have the right to prohibit firearms on his property, but that does not automatically over-ride the right of his employees to possess firearms while on their property (in their cars on the way to work, for example).

Both parties' rights must be considered, and the natural transition point is the parking lot. All this is saying is that if an employer decides not to allow his employees to be armed while on his property, he must provide or allow for an area for them to disarm. Any other solution extends his control too far.

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sniper58

Employment is nothing more than an agreement to exchange labor for compensation. If one wants to work at Company A then one must agree to follow Company A's rules. Mission Foods is now in a wrongful termination suit because a group of Muslim (female) workers was terminated for wearing loose-fitting clothing and refusing to wear company-mandated (tighter-fitting) uniforms (safety issue). The workers had been on the job for a fairly long period of time and then found religion and started wearing traditional garb (read "testing the waters; pushing the envelop"). They were hired under agreed-upon circumstances (clothing) and decided, long after being hired, they didn't like the rules and used religion to challenge the company's rules.

There are a lot of things employees don't like abut their jobs, but agree to do them in exchange for compensation. Having said that, I disagree with some of my employer's rules, but abide by most of them. I carry in my vehicle even though it's against policy. I know I could be terminated if caught. It's a risk I take every day. I also know none of the Home Office bozos will attend my funeral.

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