If they wanta play games I say we play

dukalmighty · July 5th, 2008, 09:45 PM

Since they seem to wanta use this militia stuff to decide who and who cannot bear arms I suggest we start an all states free militia if you join our militia you might theoretically be able to carry a weapon anywhere in the 50 states,has anybody ever tested these waters I mean if we joined a militia we should be able to purchase select fire weapons as we would be a legal militia involved in protecting the constitution of the United States....Or did somebody slip some shrooms in my salad

NYcarry · July 5th, 2008, 10:06 PM

Well sign me up

grady · July 5th, 2008, 10:07 PM

Militias? Hey, we have militias in Missouri. Quite a few, according to the local police.

However... one small, er, big problem for me: I'm not sure I'm eligible. Um, er, you see, some of them have a pigment/family heritage/gotta-hate-all-foreigners requirement, and... um... well, I'm not sure some of the rural militias would appreciate my family's heritage or my input on the matter.

Hey, I could start my own! Yeh, that's it.

JeffLrrp · July 5th, 2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by grady

Militias? Hey, we have militias in Missouri. Quite a few, according to the local police.

However... one small, er, big problem for me: I'm not sure I'm eligible. Um, er, you see, some of them have a pigment/family heritage/gotta-hate-all-foreigners requirement, and... um... well, I'm not sure some of the rural militias would appreciate my family's heritage or my input on the matter.

Hey, I could start my own! Yeh, that's it.

I'd be proud to join yours . . . if you'd have me

Ram Rod · July 5th, 2008, 10:12 PM

We actually have or had some county militias in the home state.
Militia of Washington County, Arkansas | Homepage
They've had their trials and tribulations.
Times Record
http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/militia/

grady · July 5th, 2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffLrrp

I'd be proud to join yours . . . if you'd have me

Thank you! I believe two makes it official! I watch your back, you watch mine.

stanislaskasava · July 5th, 2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dukalmighty

Since they seem to wanta use this militia stuff to decide who and who cannot bear arms I suggest we start an all states free militia if you join our militia you might theoretically be able to carry a weapon anywhere in the 50 states,has anybody ever tested these waters I mean if we joined a militia we should be able to purchase select fire weapons as we would be a legal militia involved in protecting the constitution of the United States....Or did somebody slip some shrooms in my salad

The Supreme Court has recently said that the right to keep and bear arms is not dependent on militia membership.

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This contrasts markedly with the phrase “the militia” in the prefatory clause. As we will describe below, the “militia” in colonial America consisted of a subset of “the people”— those who were male, able bodied, and within a certain age range. Reading the Second Amendment as protecting only the right to “keep and bear Arms” in an organized militia therefore fits poorly with the operative clause’s description of the holder of that right as “the people.”

We start therefore with a strong presumption that the Second Amendment right is exercised individually and belongs to all Americans.

Since the right is now properly interpreted, the trick will be to establish select-fire weapons as '[having] some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia.' to use the language of Miller. They most certainly do, but current infringements must be found unconstitutional.

ccw9mm · July 6th, 2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by stanislaskasava

Since the right is now properly interpreted ...

Well, partially interpreted, at least. They couldn't get past the words "shall not be infringed." They were too focused on futzing with the comma and the word "militia." Never addressed them, really.

5:4 isn't blazing performance (and it's darned near failure), but it's a small step in the right direction.

rljohns · July 6th, 2008, 12:53 AM

What you need to remember is that the operative clause of the amendments (especially the second) stands alone separate form the prefatory clause. So the whole militia part doesn't even matter, only the "people" portion and the infringe part and the keep and bear parts. At least that is what Scalia said and I believe him. It was the way they wrote in that period of history. The first only sets the stage for an example of a need. It is not the only need.

Natureboypkr · July 6th, 2008, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by grady

Militias? Hey, we have militias in Missouri. Quite a few, according to the local police.

However... one small, er, big problem for me: I'm not sure I'm eligible. Um, er, you see, some of them have a pigment/family heritage/gotta-hate-all-foreigners requirement, and... um... well, I'm not sure some of the rural militias would appreciate my family's heritage or my input on the matter.

Hey, I could start my own! Yeh, that's it.

I'll join yours

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July 5th, 2008, 10:06 PM	#2
NYcarry Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 299	Well sign me up

July 5th, 2008, 10:07 PM	#3
grady Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 1,055	Militias? Hey, we have militias in Missouri. Quite a few, according to the local police. However... one small, er, big problem for me: I'm not sure I'm eligible. Um, er, you see, some of them have a pigment/family heritage/gotta-hate-all-foreigners requirement, and... um... well, I'm not sure some of the rural militias would appreciate my family's heritage or my input on the matter. Hey, I could start my own! Yeh, that's it.

July 6th, 2008, 12:53 AM	#9
rljohns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 529	What you need to remember is that the operative clause of the amendments (especially the second) stands alone separate form the prefatory clause. So the whole militia part doesn't even matter, only the "people" portion and the infringe part and the keep and bear parts. At least that is what Scalia said and I believe him. It was the way they wrote in that period of history. The first only sets the stage for an example of a need. It is not the only need.