What Great Thinkers Have Said About Gun Control

ronwill · July 15th, 2008, 10:04 AM

A good article with good quotes about gun control.

American Chronicle | What The Great Minds Have Said About Gun Control

sniper58 · July 15th, 2008, 02:03 PM

Good read - thank you for the post!

mp45fan · July 15th, 2008, 03:08 PM

Near the end of World War II, the Japanese leader Tojo once said that the reason Japan never invaded the mainland of the United States was because "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Americans´ right to keep and bear arms has served us well. It is also a well known fact that well armed citizens prevent crimes from occurring, and many of those armed citizens have sent thousands of violent criminals on their way to hell."

I love this one!

Janq · July 15th, 2008, 03:37 PM

Ron,

There are a few issues with this editorial...

Quote:

President John F. Kennedy: "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

This quote has been and is often cited on the internet, but no such definitive record of source is known to support it.
Folk seem to quote it off of some other person who quoted it from some other source. But as to the location, date, year, and reason for this statement there has not been a citation of source. It is urban legend.

Quote:

Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."

This too is often cited as a pro 2A quote, but it is not.
Ghandi was referring to the disarmament of the Indian armies of the arms they had. He was not referring to the citizenry. Further he was very much against citizens being allowed to possess arms and preferred them to be left to military and police only. Further he was against exercising the basic right to defend ones self against an oppressor with physical effort, vis a vis violence. He had the mind set that democracy could and would win by diplomacy. He and his followers suffered greatly including numerous deaths and injury for doing nothing against oppressors than to throw bodies at them and out last as well as tire them out in time. Not a guy to be referenced muchless quoted under the context that the author of this piece has in mind. Further he should know this considering Gandhi and his activities were not exactly minor or obscure.

Quote:

Near the end of World War II, the Japanese leader Tojo once said that the reason Japan never invaded the mainland of the United States was because "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

This statement was not stated by Emperor Tojo but by the famous Admiral Yamamoto as a statement of strategy advice to Tojo that an attempt at ground war invasion of the US would be foolish. Hence they did so from the air at Pearl Harbor.

If a person and a media source is going to present information such as this to support our own beliefs then we must be doubly sure that our statements and quotes are relevant and factual. To do anything less makes us no different from those who oppose us and who commonly stoop to false information and bending of cats along with use of less than relevant quotes to support their own
thoughts and initiatives.

- Janq

BUTCH69 · July 15th, 2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mp45fan

Near the end of World War II, the Japanese leader Tojo once said that the reason Japan never invaded the mainland of the United States was because "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Americans´ right to keep and bear arms has served us well. It is also a well known fact that well armed citizens prevent crimes from occurring, and many of those armed citizens have sent thousands of violent criminals on their way to hell."

I love this one!

That's a great one, thanks for sharing

Sonic Misfit · July 15th, 2008, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janq

Ron,

There are a few issues with this editorial...

This quote has been and is often cited on the internet, but no such definitive record of source is known to support it.
Folk seem to quote it off of some other person who quoted it from some other source. But as to the location, date, year, and reason for this statement there has not been a citation of source. It is urban legend.

This too is often cited as a pro 2A quote, but it is not.
Ghandi was referring to the disarmament of the Indian armies of the arms they had. He was not referring to the citizenry. Further he was very much against citizens being allowed to possess arms and preferred them to be left to military and police only. Further he was against exercising the basic right to defend ones self against an oppressor with physical effort, vis a vis violence. He had the mind set that democracy could and would win by diplomacy. He and his followers suffered greatly including numerous deaths and injury for doing nothing against oppressors than to throw bodies at them and out last as well as tire them out in time. Not a guy to be referenced muchless quoted under the context that the author of this piece has in mind. Further he should know this considering Gandhi and his activities were not exactly minor or obscure.

This statement was not stated by Emperor Tojo but by the famous Admiral Yamamoto as a statement of strategy advice to Tojo that an attempt at ground war invasion of the US would be foolish. Hence they did so from the air at Pearl Harbor.

If a person and a media source is going to present information such as this to support our own beliefs then we must be doubly sure that our statements and quotes are relevant and factual. To do anything less makes us no different from those who oppose us and who commonly stoop to false information and bending of cats along with use of less than relevant quotes to support their own
thoughts and initiatives.

- Janq

Good Post! Thanks for pointing this out.

ronwill · July 15th, 2008, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janq

Ron,

There are a few issues with this editorial...

This quote has been and is often cited on the internet, but no such definitive record of source is known to support it.
Folk seem to quote it off of some other person who quoted it from some other source. But as to the location, date, year, and reason for this statement there has not been a citation of source. It is urban legend.

This too is often cited as a pro 2A quote, but it is not.
Ghandi was referring to the disarmament of the Indian armies of the arms they had. He was not referring to the citizenry. Further he was very much against citizens being allowed to possess arms and preferred them to be left to military and police only. Further he was against exercising the basic right to defend ones self against an oppressor with physical effort, vis a vis violence. He had the mind set that democracy could and would win by diplomacy. He and his followers suffered greatly including numerous deaths and injury for doing nothing against oppressors than to throw bodies at them and out last as well as tire them out in time. Not a guy to be referenced muchless quoted under the context that the author of this piece has in mind. Further he should know this considering Gandhi and his activities were not exactly minor or obscure.

This statement was not stated by Emperor Tojo but by the famous Admiral Yamamoto as a statement of strategy advice to Tojo that an attempt at ground war invasion of the US would be foolish. Hence they did so from the air at Pearl Harbor.

If a person and a media source is going to present information such as this to support our own beliefs then we must be doubly sure that our statements and quotes are relevant and factual. To do anything less makes us no different from those who oppose us and who commonly stoop to false information and bending of cats along with use of less than relevant quotes to support their own
thoughts and initiatives.

- Janq

Jang, to answer some of your concerns take a look at the following:

From the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library:

Roosevelt Day Commemoration Message - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum

As for Ghandi, whether an invading force deprives the military or private citizens of gun ownership it's still depriving freedom.

As for Tojo or Yamamoto, yes it was Yamamoto that made the statement. But it was still given as a reason Japan did not invade the U.S.

I believe in factual accuracy also. The article author should have researched his quotes more, but over-all the article was well written.

Janq · July 15th, 2008, 05:26 PM

Ron,

Thank you much for posting the source for the JFK quote!
An excellent read, and I read the whole thing, on the whole and for a sense of context toward the quote.

Agreed in regarding to freedom and the Ghandi item to your point.
Even still though Ghandi in specific was no fan toward means of freedom for the people at the granular man to man level. He looked to overseers in the form of government to protect and care for the people, like a parent to a child.

Agreed the gist of the article was on point and aside from his two, rather than three, gaffes it was a good read in spirit.
Between you, me, and the audience it was intended for the message was received. I'm just thinking and being critical though because I don't know how many times I read similar statements and rally calls as generated by and for the opposition that also includes mis quotes, wrong use of context to a quote, or out right incorrect information to establish or underscore an overall position.

We are on the side of right and I'd just rather not see our own missives be even 1% wrong in fact and figures. Accuracy makes all of our jobs easier and that much more believable when it comes to individual attempts toward helping others who may be on the fence to see the light.

Regards,

- Janq

retsupt99 · July 15th, 2008, 05:38 PM

ronwill, Janq...

It's all good...

ronwill · July 15th, 2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retsupt99

ronwill, Janq...

It's all good...

Yes, all's well. I took no offense and hope Jang didn't either. To me it was a good conversation.

July 15th, 2008, 10:04 AM	#1
ronwill Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 651	What Great Thinkers Have Said About Gun Control A good article with good quotes about gun control. American Chronicle \| What The Great Minds Have Said About Gun Control __________________ Member NRA, SAF and Georgiacarry.org

July 15th, 2008, 02:03 PM	#2
sniper58 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 900	Good read - thank you for the post! __________________ Tim BE PREPARED - Noah didn't build the Ark when it was raining! The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Thomas Jefferson ________ NRA Life Member

July 15th, 2008, 03:08 PM	#3
mp45fan Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lubbock, Tx Posts: 130	Near the end of World War II, the Japanese leader Tojo once said that the reason Japan never invaded the mainland of the United States was because "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Americans´ right to keep and bear arms has served us well. It is also a well known fact that well armed citizens prevent crimes from occurring, and many of those armed citizens have sent thousands of violent criminals on their way to hell." I love this one! __________________ "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down". M&P 45FS M&P 9c M&P AR-15T

July 15th, 2008, 05:26 PM	#8
Janq VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,574	Ron, Thank you much for posting the source for the JFK quote! An excellent read, and I read the whole thing, on the whole and for a sense of context toward the quote. Agreed in regarding to freedom and the Ghandi item to your point. Even still though Ghandi in specific was no fan toward means of freedom for the people at the granular man to man level. He looked to overseers in the form of government to protect and care for the people, like a parent to a child. Agreed the gist of the article was on point and aside from his two, rather than three, gaffes it was a good read in spirit. Between you, me, and the audience it was intended for the message was received. I'm just thinking and being critical though because I don't know how many times I read similar statements and rally calls as generated by and for the opposition that also includes mis quotes, wrong use of context to a quote, or out right incorrect information to establish or underscore an overall position. We are on the side of right and I'd just rather not see our own missives be even 1% wrong in fact and figures. Accuracy makes all of our jobs easier and that much more believable when it comes to individual attempts toward helping others who may be on the fence to see the light. Regards, - Janq __________________ "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy Monday, March 12, 2007 -- Op Ed -- The Washington Post

July 15th, 2008, 05:38 PM	#9
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 12,513	ronwill, Janq... It's all good... __________________ ‘‘Four out of five politicians surveyed prefered unarmed, ignorant peasants.’’ — Unknown Liberals are as American as 'dog dodo' pie...

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