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Old July 25th, 2008, 08:43 AM   #1
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Gun owners show their metal in Hastings, Front Page Article in Detroit Free Press

Now I'm not advocating open-carry, but having any of our gun-rights affirmed by LE and even advertised can only be a good thing. I only quoted a little side-bar, but the rest of the article was good and unbiased. I bolded two key issues mentioned.

Gun owners show their metal in Hastings | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press


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Rules for gun toting

Legal: Carrying a gun openly in most public places.

Illegal: Carrying a gun into a church, bank, court, theater, sports arena, day care center, hospital or bar.

Illegal: Brandishing a gun, defined as waving or pointing menacingly.

They can't do it: Local governments can't enact laws prohibiting carrying guns openly.


Hidden: A county-issued permit is required to carry a concealed weapon.

Driving: If you're driving, you must take the holster off and store the gun unloaded in a trunk or far from an easy grab away.

Handguns vs. long guns (rifles/shotguns): The Michigan State Police say you can carry a long gun or a handgun as long as you're not brandishing it.

Private property: Businesses or individuals can set their own rules about carrying a gun, openly or concealed, on their own property.

Source: Michigan State Police
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Good Article! Although we face an uphill battle, we are starting to turn things around, I think.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 10:50 AM   #3
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Illegal: Carrying a gun into a church, bank, court, theater, sports arena, day care center, hospital or bar.

Are they refering to OC in a bank?



Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign, the largest U.S. gun control organization, said he doesn't dispute the legal right to carry weapons openly but thinks those who demonstrate for such rights are pushy and aggressive.

If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. Besides, Peter just doesn't get it....rights are not something to be demonstrated for, they are "God given". They are ours by being born, they can only be taken away by despots and close minded people such as him.
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who made Peter Hamm an expert and mind reader?
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I hope it works, then we can start to follow suit everywhere.
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who made Peter Hamm an expert and mind reader?
Oh, he hears voices in his head all the time, so it must be from what people around him are thinking.
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Awesome...my sister lives in Hastings and I'll be up that way this weekend. Yay for us, every little bit helps right!!
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Old July 25th, 2008, 11:53 AM   #8
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1 out of 75 of us Michiganders have CPL permits...WOO HOO that is great!!
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Illegal: Carrying a gun into a church, bank, court, theater, sports arena, day care center, hospital or bar.

Are they refering to OC in a bank?
Yes, basically:

Since there is no law preventing Open carry, OC has always been legal. However, we have a law that lists pistol free areas to include the above. The law, however, says that those with a concealed pistol license are exempt from the ban in those places. Stay with me here...

There is another law that list "concealed pistol free zones" for us ccw'ers, it is mostly the same list (banks are not on it). The wording however, left us a loophole:

On BOTH lists are: hospitals, schools, daycares, and others. The wording in the original law says you can carry there if you have a concealed pistol license. The NEW law says that you cannot carry an concealed pistol at those places. The loophole is that it is not illegal for a CPL holder to open-carry in a church, daycare, sports arena, etc.

I wouldn't do it without having a good lawyer on retainer though, as that would almost certainly make for a court case.
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Very interesting...I'll have to do some research on that. Right now the old saying "Rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6" is holding true ;)

In a church, mosque, place of worship it is up the presiding official as to whether or not we can conceal...So, who is this man/woman to tell me when I can and cannot protect myself???
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