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Old July 27th, 2008, 08:30 AM   #11
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Shifting Positions Leave Questions Unanswered On Guns...
The simple inability of folks to come right out and say what they mean leaves all questions unanswered. If only.

The poor sod Obama believes the right of people's sensitivity meters trump the right to life, liberty. He is sorely mistaken, as are others who think like him on these rights.

He has done nothing to indicate otherwise. He has fumbled a few statements, when cornered. He has tried to appear reasonable and rational in cases where he had no other choice on the relevant issues.

Ditto on the sentiments: he'll push hard to take everything we've got, in terms of ability to effectively withstand criminals and crime. "JUST SAY NO" simply isn't going to cut it, this time around.

The lunacy of it all is: there are no guarantees with the Nine, McCain or well over half the fools sitting in the Senate and House, either. Many (most?) of them won't take a solid position on this question, either, largely.

Many in these groups are woefully mistaken over the right to life and liberty, and the right to bear arms in defense of those things. They believe these things are negotiable in trade for some small measure of reduction of perceived threat via active, forcible disarmament of citizens. They are wrong.

Obama's waffling positions, or lack of willingness to take a solid position, is merely the most visible at this time. The mistaken dream that disarmament of citizens equates to reduced crime is a foolish hope and a cancer, and it has spread to all corners. Obama is merely the most visible public embodiment of this lunacy, right now. But there are millions of this sort who would if they could.
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Old July 27th, 2008, 08:37 AM   #12
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Hussein as an American president????? need I say more!!! What is wrong with people?
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Old July 27th, 2008, 02:42 PM   #13
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It's not just the second amendment issue with Obama or any other politician for that matter. The question is, when you're presented with a politician up for a vote, can you really trust the one that flip flops his position just to get more votes or to keep "popular" opinion?

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This guy can do a back flip better then any one I have seen.
Mainly because the national press is so enamored of him that they don't hold his feet to the fire, neither on Second Amendment issues nor any others. They are desperate for this man to win.

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I believe that John McCain is no great friend of the Second Amendment or of those who cherish it. I do not think, however, that his advisers and supporters will be tugging at his sleeve every five minutes asking him to enact more gun-control schemes. Barack Obama's advisers will.

As for Supreme Court nominees, no president ever gets what he (or she, when a woman is elected president) expects when advancing a nominee. President Eisenhower probably was not thrilled with Earl Warren, for example. John McCain will not, at least, actively seek nominees who are openly hostile to the right of self-defense. Barack Obama will...and with our luck, he won't be disappointed in them.
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As for Supreme Court nominees, no president ever gets what he (or she, when a woman is elected president) expects when advancing a nominee. President Eisenhower probably was not thrilled with Earl Warren, for example. John McCain will not, at least, actively seek nominees who are openly hostile to the right of self-defense. Barack Obama will...and with our luck, he won't be disappointed in them.
In part I would agree with you...except this is a Democrat congress which makes it much easier for a Democrat Prez to push his/her nominee.

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In part I would agree with you...except this is a Democrat congress which makes it much easier for a Democrat Prez to push his/her nominee.

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True, indeed. I was referring primarily to the notion that the judicial philosophy the president believes they are getting when they nominate often is not what they really get once the justice is on the bench.
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Well, you know about half of Obama's position never changes. It's the "Elect me because ____" part. That never changes.

Just because he says something different after that each time someone asks does not mean he flip flops more than a Code Pinky that sat of a fireant nest. He is really consistent on that first part.
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