New York Mayor, Illinois Congressman Tout Gun Bill

mrreynolds · August 19th, 2008, 10:13 AM

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New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg was in Chicago on Monday working with area mayors to draft legislation to keep illegal guns off the streets.

NBC5's Rob Stafford reported that there is a loophole in federal gun laws that allows gun dealers to sell off their inventory without doing background checks on customers -- known as the "fire sale loophole."

The loophole applies to gun dealers who have had their licenses revoked, and some lawmakers said those are the last people who should be selling guns to buyers who have not been checked out.

"It is not unreasonable to say when a gun dealer loses their license, they shouldn't be able to just go and sell their guns on streets to anybody," Bloomberg said. "To children, to criminals -- to anybody."

Rep. Mark Kirk of Illinois, who introduced the bill, said one of the most alarming examples of the loophole occurred in suburban Chicago, where a gun shop license was revoked in 2005, and a number of guns were sold off and later confiscated during a drug and violent crime investigations.

Kirk said his bill has bipartisan support, and is now pending in Washington. Kirk said he would push for Congress to pass the bill this fall.

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MattLarson · August 19th, 2008, 10:21 AM

Honestly, I have no issue with this at all - provided that this is all the bill does.

Matt

PeaceKeepr · August 19th, 2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Honestly, I have no issue with this at all - provided that this is all the bill does.

Matt

I'd bet your pay check that is not all that bill will contain...But, I don't mind closing a loop hole on dealers that have lost their licence.

farronwolf · August 19th, 2008, 12:15 PM

Not actually knowing what the law is, if it is the way that it is stated in the article, when a dealer looses his license he can just dump the guns, even to individuals without background checks, then that does seem like a pretty ignorant loophole.

The only thing that comes to mind is that if he is then considered a private individual (after his license has been revoked) and the guns are considered personal property, then I guess he would be allowed to sell them just as you or it would to private parties. This however does raise the question, if we don't agree with this specific loophole for dealers who have had their licenses revoked, how can we say there isn't a gun show loophole for private sellers?

MattLarson · August 19th, 2008, 12:18 PM

(Caution, unpopular viewpoint follows)

I'm somewhat in favor of requiring all transfers between unrelated parties to go through an FFL on a 4473.

Matt

BikerRN · August 19th, 2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

(Caution, unpopular viewpoint follows)

I'm somewhat in favor of requiring all transfers between unrelated parties to go through an FFL on a 4473.

Matt

Yes, that is sure to be an unpopular viewpoint.

Private sale is just that, private sale, and one I fully support. It's nobody's business what I buy, is my opinion.

Biker

rmilchman · August 19th, 2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

(Caution, unpopular viewpoint follows)

I'm somewhat in favor of requiring all transfers between unrelated parties to go through an FFL on a 4473.

Matt

I agree.

Rob99VMI04 · August 19th, 2008, 02:07 PM

Totally,
Disagree with ALL of the above. Anything with Bloomberg's name behind it and guns has a agenda. It may not even be the agenda from the bill it maybe just so he can build a gun regulation bill passing resume.

Matt Larson,
Your right very unpopular. I think that personal property is just that personal property you should be able to do with it as you please. The reason is ATF has NO standard therefore the more information they collect the more non standardization, free rain, and information the ATF has. ATF has proven time and time they are not trust worthy, there not there to help but to disrupt, infringe, and even in extreme cases, throw US citizens in jail for a manufactur defect or in some cases just murder US citizens. Knowledge is Power, and given an agency with its track record more power makes no sense.

Siafu · August 19th, 2008, 02:57 PM

I am all for fire-sales. And Rob99VMI04 is right, anything associated to Bloomberg has a hidden agenda. He is a libs lib.

kazzaerexys · August 19th, 2008, 04:25 PM

Yeah, I am not going to trust anything with Bloomberg's name on it either, but does anybody know if the 'loophole' as described is accurate? That does seem strange.

August 19th, 2008, 10:21 AM	#2
MattLarson Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,454	Honestly, I have no issue with this at all - provided that this is all the bill does. Matt __________________ Hope is not a plan.

August 19th, 2008, 12:15 PM	#4
farronwolf Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,449	Not actually knowing what the law is, if it is the way that it is stated in the article, when a dealer looses his license he can just dump the guns, even to individuals without background checks, then that does seem like a pretty ignorant loophole. The only thing that comes to mind is that if he is then considered a private individual (after his license has been revoked) and the guns are considered personal property, then I guess he would be allowed to sell them just as you or it would to private parties. This however does raise the question, if we don't agree with this specific loophole for dealers who have had their licenses revoked, how can we say there isn't a gun show loophole for private sellers? __________________ Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.

August 19th, 2008, 12:18 PM	#5
MattLarson Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,454	(Caution, unpopular viewpoint follows) I'm somewhat in favor of requiring all transfers between unrelated parties to go through an FFL on a 4473. Matt __________________ Hope is not a plan.

August 19th, 2008, 02:07 PM	#8
Rob99VMI04 Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ABOVE is the FOOTPRINT of a common american CHICKEN Posts: 1,656	Totally, Disagree with ALL of the above. Anything with Bloomberg's name behind it and guns has a agenda. It may not even be the agenda from the bill it maybe just so he can build a gun regulation bill passing resume. Matt Larson, Your right very unpopular. I think that personal property is just that personal property you should be able to do with it as you please. The reason is ATF has NO standard therefore the more information they collect the more non standardization, free rain, and information the ATF has. ATF has proven time and time they are not trust worthy, there not there to help but to disrupt, infringe, and even in extreme cases, throw US citizens in jail for a manufactur defect or in some cases just murder US citizens. Knowledge is Power, and given an agency with its track record more power makes no sense. __________________ "You may find me one day dead in a ditch somewhere. But by God, you'll find me in a pile of brass." - Trooper M. Padgett "When seconds count.....Cops Respond in Minutes" Last edited by Rob99VMI04; August 19th, 2008 at 03:40 PM.

August 19th, 2008, 02:57 PM	#9
Siafu Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Western NY Posts: 288	I am all for fire-sales. And Rob99VMI04 is right, anything associated to Bloomberg has a hidden agenda. He is a libs lib. __________________ Walther PPS 9MM / Glock G36 .45 / M4A1 EBR Springfield XD40SC / Bersa Thunder .380 / Romy WASR-10 Ruger LCP .380 / Walther P22 / Mossberg 500 Presa Canario from D&G Kennels

August 19th, 2008, 04:25 PM	#10
kazzaerexys Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 919	Yeah, I am not going to trust anything with Bloomberg's name on it either, but does anybody know if the 'loophole' as described is accurate? That does seem strange. __________________ “What is a moderate interpretation of [the Constitution]? Halfway between what it says and [...] what you want it to say?” —Justice Antonin Scalia

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