Thanis

During his speech, he was talking about the 2nd, and said we could agree that 2nd rights are not stepped on because you can't have an AK-47 on the street. Not what he said word for word, nor what I wrote word for word, still, close.

But it was odd hearing him say it (and how I felt) and consider how some of you felt when I posted it. IMO, it is a valid point. But not the needed justification for some of the things he has supported in contrast to the 2nd.

farronwolf

Well that isn't exactly what he said.

It was more like we agree that while respecting the 2nd amendment the hunter can still have his guns in wherever but we can keep the ak 47 out of the hands of the gangbangers in cleveland.

I am sure someone will post the exact phrases not to long from now.

Which we all should agree with that statement, since by default, if they are a gangbanger, and have a criminal record, they shouldn't have any gun including an ak 47 we just need to enforce the law.

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HotGuns

Obama is a slick talker, no doubt about that.

He said basically that we should be able to recognize the Second Amendment while keeping criminals from having AK -47's.

Basically, he equated me with a criminal because I happen to own a few AK's.

Like other anti gun politicians, he knows not of what he speaks. It is amazing to me that he worries about a non existent problem.The DOJ and even FBI have published statistics that prove that crimes with AKs are almost non existent.

No wonder there though. He was trying to appeal to those that own guns while demonizing any one that owns whatever he doesn't like.

He is no different than any other politician that will say whatever he thinks it takes to get elected, and if he does, he'll do whatever he can get away with.

I wonder, how many people here, on this forum, bought all that rhetoric?

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64zebra

He mentioned what the 2nd amend means to a hunter in Ohio (blah blah blah), not what the 2A was for BTW...

then he said something like: you can't tell me we can't support the 2nd Amendment while at the same time keeping AK-47s out of criminals hands

how about actually prosecute and punish appropriately the scumbags that commit the crimes and posses the weapons illegally, do something to make it a deterrent to being a scumbag; not just throw a blanket law at everyone on possessing, carrying, and using their weapons to defend themselves and their families....inside or outside their homes

bottom line is that he doesn't get the logic of what the 2A is for....its not for protecting my right to shoot dove next month
all you have to do is look at his record in Illinois and what he's said he would propose

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dukalmighty

The AK's The AR15's, The semi autos with a mag capacity over 10 rounds the guns bigger than 22 calibre ,shotguns with collapsible stocks,once you allow the selective banning it's a slippery slope,if they actually enforced the laws on the books,executed death row inmates in a short time period not 10 or 20 years after the fact when there is 0 doubt they are guilty

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Hopyard

He came nowhere close to suggesting that ownership of an AK defines anyone as a criminal. He said simply, something we all agree on, that criminals should not be in possession of AKs.

He also said that we can support the second, while acknowledging that criminals shouldn't have access to an AK.

Both are reasonable statements and not anti-gun or anti-gun owner.

B52

Glad I got my AK and PSL with penty of ammo for both. The AK spout got me really worried!

HotGuns

Actions speak louder than words my friend.

To see what he really means, one only has to look at his stellar record of gun control.

You might expect him to make your life better.

Personally, I dont expect anyone but me to make mine better. I just want to be left alone.

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64zebra

+1000

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kentuckycarry

He mentioned hunters ( his view on the 2nd ammendment ) and we can keep AK47's out of the hands of criminals. In other words "assault weapons ban" , which affects all of US.......