Go Back   DefensiveCarry Concealed Carry Forum > Related Topics > Second Amendment Discussion & News
Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read
Forum Donations DefensiveCarry Store DefensiveCarry Gallery USGO Gallery Related Links Forum Help & Extras

Second Amendment Discussion & News We all know people that are "anti-gun". Make your best argument, post statistics, stories, etc that may help state why legal gun ownership is a good thing. Help us all by posting only accurate information.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old September 2nd, 2008, 09:34 PM   #1
Member
 
automatic slim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: The Land of Enchantment
Posts: 235
automatic slim
Republicans v. democrats. Plain as black and white.

Both the DNC and RNC have issued their platform with expected results.

Dems:We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation, but we know what works in Chicago might not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact commonsense laws and improvements- like closing the gun show loophole, improving our background check system and reinstating the assault weapons ban.

Reps:We condemn frivolous lawsuits against the firearms industry which are transparent attempts to deprive citizens of their rights. We oppose federal licencing of lawabiding gun owners and national gun registration as violations of the second amendment. We recognize that gun control only affects and penalizes law abiding citizens and such proposals are ineffective at reducing violent crime.

Anyone voting democrat?
__________________
"You lookin' for me Major?"
automatic slim is offline  
Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:08 PM   #2
Distinguished Member
 
farronwolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,449
farronwolf is a forum contributor
This is the only part of the Rep section that I have a problem with.

and we support the option of firearms training
in federal programs serving senior citizens and
women.


Do we really need federal dollars to train old folks and women. If so, why just them? Sounds like more gov spending to me. I was hoping McCain would put a stop to some of it.
__________________
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
farronwolf is offline  
Old September 3rd, 2008, 11:38 AM   #3
Distinguished Member
 
obxned's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: OBX, NC
Posts: 1,736
obxned
Providing free fiearms training to the elderly and women would probably give us the biggest bang for our crime fighting buck.
__________________
http://www.obxammo.com/

There is only one gun law in this country, the 2nd Amendment. All else is bureaucratic nonsense that I choose to comply with or not at my discretion.

When governments make laws, they must consider the unintended consequences.
obxned is offline  
Old September 3rd, 2008, 11:50 AM   #4
BAC
Distinguished Member
 
BAC's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 1,279
BAC is a forum contributor
No, providing it to a select group of people is effectively another form of welfare. The federal government does not have the authority to take from all and give to few. That firearms training needs to be available to everyone, not just a few, however well-intended it might otherwise be. A woman doing her damnest to protect her family in the Bronx deserves training as much as an elderly person, no?

I'm not voting for the Democratic Party nominee, no. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm voting for the other, either. My choices, and those of everyone I know, are not as influenced by what the parties say will be done as much as what the parties have done (much of it having little to do with our right to keep and bear arms).


-B
BAC is offline  
Old September 3rd, 2008, 12:10 PM   #5
Distinguished Member
 
farronwolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,449
farronwolf is a forum contributor
Quote:
Originally Posted by obxned View Post
Providing free fiearms training to the elderly and women would probably give us the biggest bang for our crime fighting buck.
I don't totally disagree with this, but it would also depend on where the person lives. If they were from IL, WI, NYC or even MA, where you either can't carry a concealed weapon or can't keep a loaded gun in your home ready for self defense, it really ain't going to do any good. You would also have to convince the people to purchase a gun and then use it if necessary. And if it is such a good idea for old folks and women, why not include the men and children along with the others.

We already know that many of the CCW permit holders don't carry daily.

Then again, who is going to provide the training. What hoops would have you to go through to become an authorized gov. trainer of these women and old folks.

I watched a quite a bit of the platform building process for the Rep. it really was comical at times some of the things people wanted to put in, and some of the arguements made for certain things. It turns out some pretty feel good items in the platform that should be left without gov. involvement.

But it does beat the heck out of the Dem platform on the 2A issue as pointed out by the OP.
__________________
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
farronwolf is offline  
Old September 3rd, 2008, 04:53 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: MI
Posts: 517
Thanis is a forum contributor
Quote:
Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
...Dems:We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation, but we know what works in Chicago might not work in Cheyenne...
+1

Quote:
Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
...We can work together to enact commonsense laws and improvements...
+1

Quote:
Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
...like closing the gun show loophole, improving our background check system and reinstating the assault weapons ban.
-1

Quote:
Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
Reps:We condemn frivolous lawsuits against the firearms industry which are transparent attempts to deprive citizens of their rights...
+1

Quote:
Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
...We oppose federal licencing of lawabiding gun owners and national gun registration as violations of the second amendment...
-1

Quote:
Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
...We recognize that gun control only affects and penalizes law abiding citizens...
-1

Quote:
Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
...and such proposals are ineffective at reducing violent crime...
+0

Quote:
Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
Anyone voting democrat?...
Not me.
Thanis is offline  
Old September 3rd, 2008, 07:02 PM   #7
Member
 
whyipackmy45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 402
whyipackmy45 is a forum contributor
No matter how much you love your guns, you need to take EVERYTHING into consideration when you vote.

My main concern is my money. Luckily my economic beliefs are supported by the same party that supports the 2nd.
__________________
That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

http://www.nevadashooters.com
whyipackmy45 is offline  
Old September 4th, 2008, 10:48 AM   #8
Member
 
TX Husker Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 225
TX Husker Fan
When around 90% of democrats seem to be anti gun why would anyone with half a brain vote for them? No democrats for me!
__________________
From my cold dead hands!

Glock 21 45ACP
Ruger P90 45 ACP
Ruger LCP .380 Auto
Mossberg Maverick 88 12 ga.
TX Husker Fan is offline  
Old September 4th, 2008, 02:42 PM   #9
Moderator
 
HotGuns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 4,926
HotGuns is a forum contributor
Quote:
When around 90% of democrats seem to be anti gun why would anyone with half a brain vote for them? No democrats for me!
I dont think that 90 % of democrats are anti-gun. I do think that the ones we hear from are anti-gun, therefore the perception of them all being anti-gun.

To listen to some of the dems speak, with their though processes on life styles and life in general, they NEED to carry guns. Its a fact that many of those that speak the loudest about guns, actually carry them.
__________________
AR. CHL Instr.

To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas.'
Dr. G. Brock Chisolm
HotGuns is online now  
Old September 4th, 2008, 07:07 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
JAT40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: ma
Posts: 638
JAT40 is a forum contributor
Not buying the opening statement, "Dems believe in the right to own firearms." Their track record says otherwise, tired of being played as a fool! Wish both sides would speak truth, we can plainly see who they are, just stop the lies!!
JAT40 is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:05 PM.


bestBest selection of rifle scopes, holsters, belts, pouches, gun accessories, gun cases, dry boxes, flashlights, night vision, binoculars, sunglasses. Information and 1000's of military, law enforcement, tactical gear from OpticsPlanet and Tactical Store w/ FREE UPS! Top brands - 5.11, Bianchi, BlackHawk, Bushnell, EOT ech, Leupold, Pelican, Galco, Fobus, Safariland, Steiner, StreamLight, SureFire, Nikon, Trijicon, UnderArmour, Uncle Mike's, Wiley X,

Hosted ByTranquil Hosting

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright DefensiveCarry.com © 2004-2008