Another interesting possibility

P95Carry · January 26th, 2006, 08:34 PM

Of course who knows, if this were fact - whether school boards would allow. I somehow wonder but applaud the idea.

NRA-ILA today

Quote:

Bill Introduced To Allow School Principals To Carry

Sequoyah County Times

Oklahoma House Bill 2075 would allow school superintendents and principals with a valid carry permit to carry firearms on school property as long as they have approval from a majority of their school boards.

http://www.sequoyahcountytimes.com/a...ews/frontq.txt

Euclidean · January 26th, 2006, 09:08 PM

We can only hope.

glock21guy · January 26th, 2006, 09:45 PM

Given the paranoia that surround guns, it may not fly. But given incidences like Columbine, a trained person with a gun on campus would be a good thing.

rstickle · January 26th, 2006, 10:40 PM

Why stop there? what about teachers with the proper training and permits?

Euclidean · January 26th, 2006, 10:46 PM

How do you eat an elephant?

One bite at a time.

falcon1 · January 26th, 2006, 11:36 PM

+1 to rstickle's comment...especially if the teachers are veterans or former LEOs.

Euclidean, +1 to your comment too.

HotGuns · January 26th, 2006, 11:48 PM

Ive talked about this very thing with principals and even school administrators.One would be surpirsed at the attitude of many teachers and thier opinions of carry on the school grounds.

My wife has been teaching for 28 years and has a valid permit. I have instructed many of this towns teachers that have recieved their permits. While they are still in the minority, for each teacher that gets a permit, that is one more voice in the school system.

I think that it is a step in the right direction. Right now, our schools are nothing more than target rich environments. At least the mere possibility that some teachers(or at least principals) may be armed might prevent an active shooter scenario from taking place.

P95Carry · January 26th, 2006, 11:53 PM

Quote:

our schools are nothing more than target rich environments.

Agreed HG - and without trying to seem sensationalist - I cannot rule out educational establishments as potential terrorist targets either.

Wheresoever no (legal) guns are permitted, is where almost magnetically, an illegal gun toter might go - not thinking here of robbery motives but simple killing.

ExSoldier · January 27th, 2006, 10:57 AM

I teach in the inner city and have for the last nine years. I've got gangbangers, murderers, armed robbers, rapists and a BUNCH of really good, bright kids just trying to get through and succeed in life. Two years ago, I moved into my current school that is effectively in the heart of the inner city--a school with a pretty bad rep. The reality is, kids are the same everywhere. In my other school, I was challenged just once. I handled it quickly and effectively and thereafter I had no problems. When I moved (there was a lot of tears from my students at that time middle of the year) a lot of my kids called their buddies at the new school and I never had a problem here either.

BUT....the real problem is not IN school...it's outside the school property. A kid that goes nutso can be pretty easily handled, unless ALL school personnel are total sheep, including the security guys. At my previous school, there were at least six prior military and two of those were retired SpecOps with combat experience. We all agreed that there would be no students pulling a Colombine at that school. If such began to occur, we agreed to meet at a predesignated rally point, form up, assess the situation and neutralize the problem. Unarmed, until we could get one of the BG weapons. That's not as INSANE as it sounds. Old school design. Lots of tight, blind corners. Untrained opponents. Some teachers kept firearms in their cars on school property, but that was mostly for security on the trip to and from work. I never felt the need and still don't. Even though MS13 is a factor within blocks of my school. Not opening THAT can O'worms again!

Given the sheep nature of most teachers and administrators, I'd have to say that folks in my area would be better off without access to a firearm, unless they would allow ME to keep one of my weapons under lock and key in the principal's office. With me having the only key.

Other places, other areas other states...I'd say it's fine. Maybe even should be a requirement. Certainly even one trained individual with a decent gun at Colombine could have averted the tragedy. IIRC, the school security guard claimed to have engaged in a "running gun battle" with the punks, but he failed to close with and destroy the enemy.

Euclidean · January 27th, 2006, 02:34 PM

What ExSoldier said.

January 26th, 2006, 09:08 PM	#2
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	We can only hope. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

January 26th, 2006, 09:45 PM	#3
glock21guy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 523	Given the paranoia that surround guns, it may not fly. But given incidences like Columbine, a trained person with a gun on campus would be a good thing. __________________ Aaron If you don't protect your self, who will?

January 26th, 2006, 10:40 PM	#4
rstickle Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Laurel, MD Posts: 9,872	Why stop there? what about teachers with the proper training and permits? __________________ Rick EOD - Initial success or total failure

January 26th, 2006, 10:46 PM	#5
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

January 27th, 2006, 10:57 AM	#9
ExSoldier VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Coral Gables, FL Posts: 4,207	I teach in the inner city and have for the last nine years. I've got gangbangers, murderers, armed robbers, rapists and a BUNCH of really good, bright kids just trying to get through and succeed in life. Two years ago, I moved into my current school that is effectively in the heart of the inner city--a school with a pretty bad rep. The reality is, kids are the same everywhere. In my other school, I was challenged just once. I handled it quickly and effectively and thereafter I had no problems. When I moved (there was a lot of tears from my students at that time middle of the year) a lot of my kids called their buddies at the new school and I never had a problem here either. BUT....the real problem is not IN school...it's outside the school property. A kid that goes nutso can be pretty easily handled, unless ALL school personnel are total sheep, including the security guys. At my previous school, there were at least six prior military and two of those were retired SpecOps with combat experience. We all agreed that there would be no students pulling a Colombine at that school. If such began to occur, we agreed to meet at a predesignated rally point, form up, assess the situation and neutralize the problem. Unarmed, until we could get one of the BG weapons. That's not as INSANE as it sounds. Old school design. Lots of tight, blind corners. Untrained opponents. Some teachers kept firearms in their cars on school property, but that was mostly for security on the trip to and from work. I never felt the need and still don't. Even though MS13 is a factor within blocks of my school. Not opening THAT can O'worms again! Given the sheep nature of most teachers and administrators, I'd have to say that folks in my area would be better off without access to a firearm, unless they would allow ME to keep one of my weapons under lock and key in the principal's office. With me having the only key. Other places, other areas other states...I'd say it's fine. Maybe even should be a requirement. Certainly even one trained individual with a decent gun at Colombine could have averted the tragedy. IIRC, the school security guard claimed to have engaged in a "running gun battle" with the punks, but he failed to close with and destroy the enemy. __________________ Former Infantry Captain; 20 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

January 26th, 2006, 11:36 PM	#6
falcon1 VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 4,432	+1 to rstickle's comment...especially if the teachers are veterans or former LEOs. Euclidean, +1 to your comment too.

January 26th, 2006, 11:48 PM	#7
HotGuns Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 4,928	Ive talked about this very thing with principals and even school administrators.One would be surpirsed at the attitude of many teachers and thier opinions of carry on the school grounds. My wife has been teaching for 28 years and has a valid permit. I have instructed many of this towns teachers that have recieved their permits. While they are still in the minority, for each teacher that gets a permit, that is one more voice in the school system. I think that it is a step in the right direction. Right now, our schools are nothing more than target rich environments. At least the mere possibility that some teachers(or at least principals) may be armed might prevent an active shooter scenario from taking place.

January 27th, 2006, 02:34 PM	#10
Euclidean VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,213	What ExSoldier said. __________________ I am The Armed Educator.

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