Kansas Senate Override Vote Today 3/22/06

Rock and Glock · March 22nd, 2006, 03:47 PM

From NRA-ILA:

Kansas Senate Override Vote Today
Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Governor Vetoed Right to Carry Again!

On Tuesday, March 21, Governor Sebelius for the second time vetoed Right to Carry in Kansas. SB 418 will be heard today around 4:00 p.m. in the Senate for a veto override vote.

It is critical that Kansans call their State Senator immediately and ask him or her to vote in favor of the veto override for SB 418.

P95Carry · March 22nd, 2006, 04:23 PM

Richard - as we have this going already on the other thread you started -

http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=8155

I'll close this one - don't think it'll be needed.

Rock and Glock · March 23rd, 2006, 07:59 PM

From NRA-ILA:

House and Senate Override
Governor Sebelius' Veto:
Kansas Passes Right-to-Carry

Thursday, March 23, 2006

(Fairfax, VA) – Both the Kansas State Senate and House of Representatives voted to override Governor Sebelius’ veto of the National Rifle Association (NRA)-backed Right-to-Carry legislation, Senate Bill 418, “The Personal and Family Protection Act.”

“After 12 years, it took a collective, bi-partisan effort to win this fight. Kansas now joins 46 other states who enjoy some form of Right-to-Carry,” NRA Chief Lobbyist Chris W. Cox declared.

The Kansas State Senate voted 30 to 10 to override Governor Sebelius’ veto of the Right-to-Carry legislation. Less than a day later, the Kansas House of Representative voted 91-33 to sustain the override.

Cox continued, “We want to recognize the steadfast support of several state leaders. Without their hard work, Kansans would still be deprived of this valuable law. Senator Phil Journey, Representative Candy Ruff, and Representative Gary Hayzlett worked tirelessly on this measure and we thank them.”

Kansas becomes the 47th state with some form of Right-to-Carry. There are now three states that do not allow any form of Right-to-Carry; Nebraska, Illinois and Wisconsin have yet to pass such self-defense legislation.

“As always, we appreciate the commitment and participation of our members in Kansas for helping pass this legislation and helping override the Governor’s veto of this self-defense law,” concluded Cox.

Another state joins!

Miggy · March 23rd, 2006, 08:00 PM

TOPEKA, Kan. -- Law-abiding Kansans will be able to carry concealed guns because many of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' fellow Democrats parted company to trash her veto of a guns bill.

On Thursday, the House voted 91-33 to override - seven more votes than the needed two-thirds majority. The Senate voted Wednesday night to override, 30-10, with three votes to spare.

In the House, 21 Democrats sided with Republicans to make concealed guns state law after July 1, although it's not clear when the first permits will be issued by the attorney general's office. In the Senate, six Democrats joined Republicans, who control the Legislature.

Sebelius is the first governor to have a veto overridden in 12 years and this is the first time for her. She vetoed a similar bill in 2004, as did her predecessor, Republican Bill Graves, in 1997.

She shrugged off the override, saying, "Now I'm hopeful the Legislature turns its attention to its most important work, which is making sure all Kansas children attend quality schools."

Kansas will be among 37 states where permits must be issued to people who qualify. An additional eight states allow law enforcement agencies to reject permits even if someone has met all legal requirements, while Alaska and Vermont have no prohibitions for carry concealed guns.

Only Illinois, Nebraska and Wisconsin won't allow residents to carry hidden guns, although Nebraska lawmakers are close to changing that.

A microcosm of the debate played out between Clark Zeit, of Olathe, and his mother, Carolyn Zeit, of Prairie Village, when they were asked about what the Legislature did.

"They say it will make it more difficult for police to do their job. But I think there are enough safeguards," the son said.

The mother said: "I'm totally against it. I think too many people will have guns and you won't be safe anywhere."

Sponsoring Sen. Phil Journey, R-Haysville, said 2 percent of Kansans, or about 48,000 people, would seek permits in the law's first four years.

House Minority Leader Dennis McKinney said legislators and Kansans became more familiar with the issue in the decade it has been around. He said most Democrats split with the governor because their constituents want the law.

"I have a lot more people back home who are for it because they understand it better," said McKinney, D-Greensburg, who voted against the veto. "A lot of my constituents feel strongly about this issue."

Another Democrat, Rep. L. Candy Ruff, of Leavenworth, was the bill's chief champion.

"People now have the right to defend themselves if they want to," said Ruff, adding she doesn't plan to get a concealed gun permit.

"I've never had a desire to carry a concealed gun," she said. "I pushed it because two rape victims in my district asked me to."

House Speaker Doug Mays, R-Topeka said his colleagues "finally heard the voices of the majority."

Under the proposal, Kansas residents 21 or older who are U.S. citizens can obtain a four-year permit by filling out an application with the local sheriff and paying a fee of up to $150.

The attorney general's office issues the permits after conducting background checks to eliminate those with a felony record, a history of mental illness, drug or alcohol addiction, or physical infirmity preventing the safe handling of a weapon.

Completion of an approved eight-hour training course also is required. Rep. Jim Yonally said that wasn't enough time.

"My concern is people thinking they are safe because they are packing a gun," said Yonally, R-Overland Park. "It's only going to become a weapon that can be used against them."

The National Rifle Association hailed the vote.

"It proves the determination and persistence of the NRA and our members in Kansas," said Chris Cox, the group's chief lobbyist at its headquarters in Fairfax, Va. "It's been a nationwide effort that's gone on for over a decade."

Among opposing groups was the Kansas Association of Chiefs of Police. Its president, Valley Center Police Chief Kelly Parks, said there's some concern about how to find out whether an applicant had a mental illness problem.

"The federal law restricts us from getting a lot of that information," Parks said. "There is no clearing house for that kind of information."

The Kansas Sheriffs' Association remained neutral because its members were divided. But its president, Stafford County Sheriff Jeff Parr, said such a law bothers him.

"I feel that with more people able to conceal weapons we're going to have problems with guns," he said. "Instead of getting into a fist fight, if they have a gun, they are going to pull a gun instead of fighting."

Miggy · March 23rd, 2006, 08:01 PM

R&G! I guess we both had the same target! But you beat me to the post!

CONGRATULATIONS KANSAS!!!!!!!

Bud White · March 23rd, 2006, 08:18 PM

Merged these couple thread Congrats to them for getting CCW

PatrioticRick · March 23rd, 2006, 10:48 PM

Welcome Kansas to the real world

dpesec · March 24th, 2006, 12:38 AM

Good job Kansas.

March 22nd, 2006, 03:47 PM	#1
Rock and Glock VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado at 9,500' Posts: 3,748	Kansas Senate Override Vote Today 3/22/06 From NRA-ILA: Kansas Senate Override Vote Today Wednesday, March 22, 2006 Governor Vetoed Right to Carry Again! On Tuesday, March 21, Governor Sebelius for the second time vetoed Right to Carry in Kansas. SB 418 will be heard today around 4:00 p.m. in the Senate for a veto override vote. It is critical that Kansans call their State Senator immediately and ask him or her to vote in favor of the veto override for SB 418. __________________ Richard NRA Life Member "This world is not a playground where children at play are pampered by friendly nannies," Wendelin Wiedeking

March 22nd, 2006, 04:23 PM	#2
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,366	Richard - as we have this going already on the other thread you started - http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=8155 I'll close this one - don't think it'll be needed. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

March 23rd, 2006, 07:59 PM	#3
Rock and Glock VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado at 9,500' Posts: 3,748	Kansas House Overrode Veto Today! Kansas Now CC! (Merged Threads) From NRA-ILA: House and Senate Override Governor Sebelius' Veto: Kansas Passes Right-to-Carry Thursday, March 23, 2006 (Fairfax, VA) – Both the Kansas State Senate and House of Representatives voted to override Governor Sebelius’ veto of the National Rifle Association (NRA)-backed Right-to-Carry legislation, Senate Bill 418, “The Personal and Family Protection Act.” “After 12 years, it took a collective, bi-partisan effort to win this fight. Kansas now joins 46 other states who enjoy some form of Right-to-Carry,” NRA Chief Lobbyist Chris W. Cox declared. The Kansas State Senate voted 30 to 10 to override Governor Sebelius’ veto of the Right-to-Carry legislation. Less than a day later, the Kansas House of Representative voted 91-33 to sustain the override. Cox continued, “We want to recognize the steadfast support of several state leaders. Without their hard work, Kansans would still be deprived of this valuable law. Senator Phil Journey, Representative Candy Ruff, and Representative Gary Hayzlett worked tirelessly on this measure and we thank them.” Kansas becomes the 47th state with some form of Right-to-Carry. There are now three states that do not allow any form of Right-to-Carry; Nebraska, Illinois and Wisconsin have yet to pass such self-defense legislation. “As always, we appreciate the commitment and participation of our members in Kansas for helping pass this legislation and helping override the Governor’s veto of this self-defense law,” concluded Cox. Another state joins! __________________ Richard NRA Life Member "This world is not a playground where children at play are pampered by friendly nannies," Wendelin Wiedeking

March 23rd, 2006, 08:00 PM	#4
Miggy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami-Dade, FL Posts: 4,380	Kansas House Overrides Gun Veto TOPEKA, Kan. -- Law-abiding Kansans will be able to carry concealed guns because many of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' fellow Democrats parted company to trash her veto of a guns bill. On Thursday, the House voted 91-33 to override - seven more votes than the needed two-thirds majority. The Senate voted Wednesday night to override, 30-10, with three votes to spare. In the House, 21 Democrats sided with Republicans to make concealed guns state law after July 1, although it's not clear when the first permits will be issued by the attorney general's office. In the Senate, six Democrats joined Republicans, who control the Legislature. Sebelius is the first governor to have a veto overridden in 12 years and this is the first time for her. She vetoed a similar bill in 2004, as did her predecessor, Republican Bill Graves, in 1997. She shrugged off the override, saying, "Now I'm hopeful the Legislature turns its attention to its most important work, which is making sure all Kansas children attend quality schools." Kansas will be among 37 states where permits must be issued to people who qualify. An additional eight states allow law enforcement agencies to reject permits even if someone has met all legal requirements, while Alaska and Vermont have no prohibitions for carry concealed guns. Only Illinois, Nebraska and Wisconsin won't allow residents to carry hidden guns, although Nebraska lawmakers are close to changing that. A microcosm of the debate played out between Clark Zeit, of Olathe, and his mother, Carolyn Zeit, of Prairie Village, when they were asked about what the Legislature did. "They say it will make it more difficult for police to do their job. But I think there are enough safeguards," the son said. The mother said: "I'm totally against it. I think too many people will have guns and you won't be safe anywhere." Sponsoring Sen. Phil Journey, R-Haysville, said 2 percent of Kansans, or about 48,000 people, would seek permits in the law's first four years. House Minority Leader Dennis McKinney said legislators and Kansans became more familiar with the issue in the decade it has been around. He said most Democrats split with the governor because their constituents want the law. "I have a lot more people back home who are for it because they understand it better," said McKinney, D-Greensburg, who voted against the veto. "A lot of my constituents feel strongly about this issue." Another Democrat, Rep. L. Candy Ruff, of Leavenworth, was the bill's chief champion. "People now have the right to defend themselves if they want to," said Ruff, adding she doesn't plan to get a concealed gun permit. "I've never had a desire to carry a concealed gun," she said. "I pushed it because two rape victims in my district asked me to." House Speaker Doug Mays, R-Topeka said his colleagues "finally heard the voices of the majority." Under the proposal, Kansas residents 21 or older who are U.S. citizens can obtain a four-year permit by filling out an application with the local sheriff and paying a fee of up to $150. The attorney general's office issues the permits after conducting background checks to eliminate those with a felony record, a history of mental illness, drug or alcohol addiction, or physical infirmity preventing the safe handling of a weapon. Completion of an approved eight-hour training course also is required. Rep. Jim Yonally said that wasn't enough time. "My concern is people thinking they are safe because they are packing a gun," said Yonally, R-Overland Park. "It's only going to become a weapon that can be used against them." The National Rifle Association hailed the vote. "It proves the determination and persistence of the NRA and our members in Kansas," said Chris Cox, the group's chief lobbyist at its headquarters in Fairfax, Va. "It's been a nationwide effort that's gone on for over a decade." Among opposing groups was the Kansas Association of Chiefs of Police. Its president, Valley Center Police Chief Kelly Parks, said there's some concern about how to find out whether an applicant had a mental illness problem. "The federal law restricts us from getting a lot of that information," Parks said. "There is no clearing house for that kind of information." The Kansas Sheriffs' Association remained neutral because its members were divided. But its president, Stafford County Sheriff Jeff Parr, said such a law bothers him. "I feel that with more people able to conceal weapons we're going to have problems with guns," he said. "Instead of getting into a fist fight, if they have a gun, they are going to pull a gun instead of fighting." __________________ You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming. Randy Cain. GunFreeZone.net

March 23rd, 2006, 08:01 PM	#5
Miggy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami-Dade, FL Posts: 4,380	R&G! I guess we both had the same target! But you beat me to the post! CONGRATULATIONS KANSAS!!!!!!! __________________ You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming. Randy Cain. GunFreeZone.net

March 23rd, 2006, 08:18 PM	#6
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Merged these couple thread Congrats to them for getting CCW

March 23rd, 2006, 10:48 PM	#7
PatrioticRick VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rigby, Idaho Posts: 3,148	Welcome Kansas to the real world __________________ "Someone breaking into our Country should have to face the same outcome as someone breaking into our home. I fail to see what the difference is." USN/USAF Retired/Desert Shield/Desert Storm DAV Life Member NRA Life Member

March 24th, 2006, 12:38 AM	#8
dpesec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 518	Good job Kansas. __________________ Dave “The highest obligation and privilege of citizenship is that of bearing arms”. General George Patton—US Army Vis et Veneratio "So this is how democracy dies: to thunderous applause." Actress Natalie Portman as Padme in Star Wars Revenge of the Sith

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