Tom357

I did distinguish between rank-and-file and leadership. Many in LE administration have risen through the ranks, so they were once street cops. I suppose they have to become politicians the higher they go, but if they are products of the rank-and-file, I find it hard to trust that the rank-and-file is that supportive. It is encouraging that officers in your area are basically supportive. I wish it were so around Richmond.

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Kimo

My father has called me a liberal on one or two occasions before he passed away, although I see my self as a conservative and vote republican.
At first I did not see a big problem having to wait three days for a background check. He told me while most of the people that submit to a background check are mostly law abiding citizens, BGs don't wait for such things and get guns or have them anyway. I saw he's point.

I did not vote for Governor Kaine nor do I support his administration. However there are some stupid people in Virginia as anywhere else. And I really don't want some redneck know it all that thinks just because he's from the south he knows how to handle a firearm reaching into a glove box and pulling out a 45. and shooting his wife or one of his children in the passenger seat by accident.
So I am inclined to agree with the Governor on this one and believe that if you want to carry a firearm that you must at least go through the concealed weapon tranning or some training that shows you're competent to carry a weapon.
I had to.
Is this thinking like a liberal?
Is this wrong to think like this and be extremely supportive of the second amendment?
Let me know.
Thanks.

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blacksan

Kimo,

I feel that the portion of your post listed below points the finger of guilt by association per say. Having a gun does not make a person pron to violence,criminal acts, or stupidty. For many of us the responsibility of owning a gun was pounded in to our heads at a very early age. That redneck (like I grew up with) most likely grew up with weapons his entire life and also served in the military. I will never forget the memory of my long passed grandfather coming home from church and placing his bible and holstered single action Colt Army on top of it next to the front door before unlocking it.

"And I really don't wont some redneck know it all that thinks just because he's from the south he knows how to handle a firearm reaching into a glove box and pulling out a 45. and shooting he's wife are one of he's children in the passenger set by accident."

As to conservative views there was no mention of political party, as a matter of fact the "ol timey" Southern Democrat was more conservative then most Republicans I ever meet.

HotGuns

Show me a case of that happening. Hard evidence.

Its rhetoric. Pure and simple. You want to limit me here in Virginia because some redneck from the south that thinks he knows it all might screw up. Thats pretty liberal thinking allright.

So, if Hillary Clinton flees New York and becomes the next governor of Virginia, you asre saying that its OK for her to set the standards. IF she being antigun, decided to make it mandantory to attend one years worth of training to carry a concealed weapon, then its OK with you right ?

It would seem so to me...

The second amendment says that the right to bear arms SHALL not be infringed, yet, you want the govenor to infringe upon my right to carry by saying that I must undergo "training" however ridiculous it may be.

You say that you are supportive of the second amendment but havent really given it much thought or study have you ?

The govenor fails to take into account that many states already have provision for a citizen to carry a gun in their car with out a permit, yet there have been very few infractions.

Wayne

Anytime that you agree with any infringment upon the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, then you are destroying the very freedom you are trying to save.

Wayne

Kimo

HotGuns then I'm moving.
I see your point.
Aparintly I need more schooling on this subject.
Your opinion is appreciated,Thank you.

Wayne well said Sir.

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Bud White

First and Last warning tone it down its getting way to close to personal attacks

Kimo

My apology's if I have upset someone.
That was not my intention. The first gun my father had, I bout for hem..lol
So I've had to learn this on my own.

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HotGuns

Kimo...
we'll try to keep you straight...

just keep asking...its the best and easiest way to learn...

blacksan

I appreciate the input from everyone, and invite you to come enjoy some leisurely range time with me if you ever make it to the Shenandoah valley. If you can force yourself to enjoy BBQ, German Beer (my fatherland) and pool time your are welcome.

BTW, I served my country in the military, and now as a Police Officer to insure the protection of your rights and freedoms with great pleasure!

Cheers,
Adrian AKA blacksan