Tom357

The Governor has received the legislature's recommendations on all the other bills, including the big one, HB1577. HB1106 is the only one vetoed, so far. Kaine stated that the vehicle exemption, allowing anyone without a CCW to carry a concealed weapon in a locked container in their vehicle, placed law enforcement in danger. The Veto session will start soon, and we will see where the legislature stands.

HB1106: Possession of concealed weapons; possession on owner's property and in private vehicles. Clarifies that the prohibition against carrying concealed weapons does not apply when a person is carrying such a weapon on his own property. The law currently specifies that the prohibition does not apply when a person is carrying such a weapon on the cutilage of his abode. In addition, the bill creates a new exemption to the general prohibition against carrying concealed weapons by allowing a person who may lawfully possess a firearm to carry a concealed handgun in a private motor vehicle.

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HotGuns

.Another myth.

Even the thugs that are gonna shoot a cop arent stupid enough to put it in a lock box. It takes too long to get it out.

States like Louisiana where residents can keep a gun in their vehicle without a permit have had little problem with the procedure.

The Govenor needs to start listening to the facts,and put the emotional crap aside.

P95Carry

Hogwash!!! As ever, as HG says - are the bad guys gonna use locked boxes, geez!

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is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."

If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

Tom357

You can thank Virginia law enforcement agencies and the Association of Chiefs of Police for lobbying the Governor. We always hear how rank-and-file LEO's really support CCW, but when agency leadership and groups like the VACP lobby against our rights, it is hard to trust that is the case. And, Kaine is a liberal Dem, so one can't be but so surprised.

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RSSZ

I really hate to feel this way.....BUT.....I feel that a vast majority of LEO's don't want anybody to have/carry firearms,expandable nightsticks,billy's,SAP's,TASERS,mace,OC,and especially knives/blades of any kind/length EXCEPT THEM. That's with CWP or not.The majority of LEO's will not even come close to admitting that most of us here can out shoot most of them. Most of them don't know,nor do they care,the amount of training that we have undergone,mostly at our own expense. They don't know or care how often we train or the money we have invested in top quality,technically advanced,super safe gear, to suppliment our firearm.

How can I make these statements? I have talked to allot of them. City,county,and state,LEO's. When you mention that you have a CWP you can see them cringe. I have had them say,"why do you think you need that"? Do you know the laws? Are you safe? And this is the good one. "Who ya gonna shoot?

Not all LEO's are of this opinion as not all of us are super safe and have had extensive training. But for some of the LEO's that I have talked to,to make us into some kind of joke really chaps my a$$. There,done,now I feel "mo bedda".---------

P95Carry

It's true and varies according to area, that there are some LE folks who cringe when thinking of us CCW's - it does seem to get worse higher up the chain. I guess these questions are fairly typical but all easily answered IMO. We should tho too recognize all the cops out there who are very much in favor of what we do as well.
To which I would counter with the question - ''Will you be there at the instant I am under threat from being shot by a bad guy?" Unlikely if not impossible.
Most CCW folks pay great attention to the laws - we are after all the good guys tho sometimes it's hard to believe.
Training costs for many - range practice - all make for the average CCW being at a higher level of competence than some LE people.
Hah - easy answer - only any bad guy who chooses to threaten my life or that of my loved ones.

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NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

"To own a gun and assume that you are armed
is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."

If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

the-fly

Here in Colorado anyone can keep a loaded firearm anywhere in a car. The local cops arent crazy about it, but they deal with it professionally. If you get pulled over, just keep your hands on the wheel and inform the officer, and you dont get hassled.

I guess the VA cops arent as professional.

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blacksan

Gentleman, you are mistaking administration (politicians) with rank and file/street cops. I have worked in this business since 1982 and can count the number of street cops on one hand (in my area) that have a problem with citizens protecting themselves with firearms.

The LOBBIEST that are invited to speak because they are of the same opinion as the Gov are generally not street cops. The majority of us (in my area) are prior service, conservative, sportsman that would rather arrive on scene to find you (the good citizen) standing over the BG because you where able to protect yourself.

I don't want to start a flame war, but the reason our new Gov was elected is because of the disproportionate number of people/population in NOVA (Northern Virginia) are not your bread-and-butter Virginians with very liberal views.

RSSZ

blacksan, with respect I say....the Leo's that I have talked to, usually on a daily basis are "rank and file/street cops".You think that I go downtown to city hall and sit down with the chiefs and Lt.'s. These are the LEO's that I see at the rifle and pistol club that I belong to,and at the gunshops that I frequent,and at the 10 or 11 gun shows that I attend every year.

I respect what these citizens do for their community. How they put their life on the line everyday. I just feel that it's about time that they show us some of that same respect. I can't speak for the other people here but I know for a fact that if I saw a LEO in trouble,I would come to his aid in an instant.I would use my mindset,my training,and my firepower to help the officer that just this morning asked me,"why do you think that you need that"??? ---------

blacksan

RSSZ

I am truly disenchanted to know that a brother officer would make such a statement to you. In VA it is actually a criminal offense to refuse an officers request for assistance. I have been in the position to ask for assistance in an arrest and gladly accepted the same.

I personally lobby on the issue of self protection/right to bear arms every chance I get, and will continue to do so. The fact that FL along with many other states do in fact freely issue concealed weapons permits would testify to many others in the legislature that agree with you and I on this issue. Not that it makes the issue any better, but an officers opinion is just that (an opinion) and not the law.

Be safe,
Adrian AKA blacksan