Where do you see the 2nd amendment in 10-20 years down the road?

Doc Holliday · May 2nd, 2006, 07:32 PM

Reading about FLA making it legal to carry in State Parks got me to thinking. We have scored some big victories recently. With Ohio passing the CCW, the AWB sunset, and most states allowing CC. Now is not the time to rest on our laurels. We need to continue to lobby congress (national/state) join the NRA (or other pro gun groups) and try to turn others on to shooting. I just don't want to see things get like they were say around 1994 or so. I am curious though, what do you guys think gunrights will be like in America in the next 10-20 years?

CopperKnight · May 2nd, 2006, 08:32 PM

I really don't know. I'm almost afraid to look out that far. The Republicans have screwed up so badly, I'm almost afraid they'll lose many of the upcoming elections and we will end up with a load of gun hating liberals at the helm. I don't want to have to deal with that.

HotGuns · May 2nd, 2006, 11:37 PM

It'll alwyas be an uphil battle.

As long as we have legislaters that put the wishes of the UN ahead of the intrests of the citizens, our guns and rights will NEVER be safe.

As it stands now, there are precious few countries left that even "allow" private ownership of weapons by the citizens. Its just a matter of time till it happens here...whether it be 10,20 or even 50 years wont matter.

P95Carry · May 3rd, 2006, 12:57 AM

Sadly the die is cast - in essence. Fighting tho (peaceably!) will help delay what may be the inevitable.

This last few months has seen great strides but OTOH it will only take one major political change to enhance the anti's agenda - and as HG says it is and will remain a very uphill struggle. We cannot rest on laurels.

I am sad for the young folks growing up now and what they may face. In the end of course who wins? Yep the bad guys, no one else.

Captain Crunch · May 3rd, 2006, 02:59 AM

Basically, the future of the 2nd Amendment is up to the USSC. We need a ruling from the black robes that the 2A is in fact an individual right to keep and bear arms, as opposed to the liberal view that it is a collective (militia) right.

The Court could do this by overruling the 7th or 9th Circuit Courts of Appeals, which have both ruled that the 2A does not guarantee an individual RKBA, but someone (a person or a pro-rights group like the NRA) would have to petition the Court to hear the case. So far, nobody wants to climb that mountain.

It would also help if the Court incorporated the 2A to the states via the 14th Amendment.

MattLarson · May 3rd, 2006, 07:37 AM

Where the 2nd Amendment stands in the future is up to us. We as gun owners must remain politically active, and always remember what the opposition truly wants:

Quote:

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban,
picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,
"I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
--U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95

The easiest way for them to get there will be for us to get complacent and apathetic.

Matt

ExSoldier · May 3rd, 2006, 09:47 AM

Heck, I might not even be around. I'm struggling to just stay sane, healthy and enjoy life. But to quote Han Solo: I've got a B-A-D feeling about this.....

artz · May 4th, 2006, 07:14 AM

great things have been accomplished for our 2nd amendment rights lately. How long they will last worries me.
Continue to improve your knife collection...

Tom357 · May 4th, 2006, 09:49 AM

I think the 2A will still be in the Bill of Rights. I think our rights in 10 years will largely be what they are, now, unless somebody pulls something really outrageous like another Columbine or another Beltway Sniper. More than anything, our freedoms depend on our collective behavior, and one really bad apple can spoil the barrel. We are ultimately responsible for accepting bad legislation and tolerating infringements on our freedoms. The people who want to take away our freedoms aren't playing by rules and their truth is relative to the moment. It isn't a fair fight. That's why I think it is important to have groups like SAF and GoA to buttress the arguments made by the NRA, as well as individuals willing to speak out and take action. I am one voice, but I raise it, both alone and as part of a larger group.

May 2nd, 2006, 07:32 PM	#1
Doc Holliday Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,351	Where do you see the 2nd amendment in 10-20 years down the road? Reading about FLA making it legal to carry in State Parks got me to thinking. We have scored some big victories recently. With Ohio passing the CCW, the AWB sunset, and most states allowing CC. Now is not the time to rest on our laurels. We need to continue to lobby congress (national/state) join the NRA (or other pro gun groups) and try to turn others on to shooting. I just don't want to see things get like they were say around 1994 or so. I am curious though, what do you guys think gunrights will be like in America in the next 10-20 years? __________________ Give Doc the shotgun. They'll be less apt to get nervous if he's on the street howitzer. Why, Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked over your grave. I have two guns, one for each of ya.

May 2nd, 2006, 08:32 PM	#2
CopperKnight Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Spokane area, WA Posts: 4,581	I really don't know. I'm almost afraid to look out that far. The Republicans have screwed up so badly, I'm almost afraid they'll lose many of the upcoming elections and we will end up with a load of gun hating liberals at the helm. I don't want to have to deal with that. __________________ Being happy doesn't mean everything's perfect, but that you've decided to see beyond the imperfections. The only thing that stops bad guys with guns is good guys with guns. SgtD

May 3rd, 2006, 12:57 AM	#4
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,366	Sadly the die is cast - in essence. Fighting tho (peaceably!) will help delay what may be the inevitable. This last few months has seen great strides but OTOH it will only take one major political change to enhance the anti's agenda - and as HG says it is and will remain a very uphill struggle. We cannot rest on laurels. I am sad for the young folks growing up now and what they may face. In the end of course who wins? Yep the bad guys, no one else. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

May 3rd, 2006, 02:59 AM	#5
Captain Crunch Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montana, The Treasure State Posts: 6,642	Basically, the future of the 2nd Amendment is up to the USSC. We need a ruling from the black robes that the 2A is in fact an individual right to keep and bear arms, as opposed to the liberal view that it is a collective (militia) right. The Court could do this by overruling the 7th or 9th Circuit Courts of Appeals, which have both ruled that the 2A does not guarantee an individual RKBA, but someone (a person or a pro-rights group like the NRA) would have to petition the Court to hear the case. So far, nobody wants to climb that mountain. It would also help if the Court incorporated the 2A to the states via the 14th Amendment. __________________ *"Just be nice...or I'LL SHOOT"!* Terry

May 3rd, 2006, 09:47 AM	#7
ExSoldier VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Coral Gables, FL Posts: 4,207	Heck, I might not even be around. I'm struggling to just stay sane, healthy and enjoy life. But to quote Han Solo: I've got a B-A-D feeling about this..... __________________ Former Infantry Captain; 20 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

May 2nd, 2006, 11:37 PM	#3
HotGuns Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 4,928	It'll alwyas be an uphil battle. As long as we have legislaters that put the wishes of the UN ahead of the intrests of the citizens, our guns and rights will NEVER be safe. As it stands now, there are precious few countries left that even "allow" private ownership of weapons by the citizens. Its just a matter of time till it happens here...whether it be 10,20 or even 50 years wont matter.

May 4th, 2006, 07:14 AM	#8
artz VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,110	great things have been accomplished for our 2nd amendment rights lately. How long they will last worries me. Continue to improve your knife collection... __________________ '' Lord, grant me the serenity for things that I can not change "

May 4th, 2006, 09:49 AM	#9
Tom357 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Richmond VA Posts: 686	I think the 2A will still be in the Bill of Rights. I think our rights in 10 years will largely be what they are, now, unless somebody pulls something really outrageous like another Columbine or another Beltway Sniper. More than anything, our freedoms depend on our collective behavior, and one really bad apple can spoil the barrel. We are ultimately responsible for accepting bad legislation and tolerating infringements on our freedoms. The people who want to take away our freedoms aren't playing by rules and their truth is relative to the moment. It isn't a fair fight. That's why I think it is important to have groups like SAF and GoA to buttress the arguments made by the NRA, as well as individuals willing to speak out and take action. I am one voice, but I raise it, both alone and as part of a larger group. __________________ - Tom You have the power to donate life.

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