If a gun shop IS the source of crime

Jamie Young · May 19th, 2006, 07:49 PM

Should it be shutdown?

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4159028

This is a local shop and I never go there. The guns are way overpriced and the clientel are mostly from the city.

That gun shop is one of 3 gun stores in the Philadelphia area that have track records like this.

My opinion.... if a gun shop has statistics like this, it should be closed down and moved.

Opinions?

MattLarson · May 19th, 2006, 08:24 PM

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UPPER DARBY, Pa. - May 17, 2006 - Law enforcement is in the midst of a concerted effort to combat growing gun violence. Police and community leaders today are focusing their efforts on a gun shop they say is responsible for putting many of the weapons on the street.

The business in question is Lou's Pawn shop. Gun control activists say that in a single year, the shop that store sold 178 guns that were later used in crimes.

Under Pennsylvania law, those sales were all legal. But the gun control advocates want that to change.

So if the sales were legal, why should the business be closed down?

Why not go after the criminals instead?

Matt

Miggy · May 19th, 2006, 08:28 PM

Before anybody jumps into conclussions, How many guns were sold during that year? Check ratio before anything else.

ssssthesnake · May 19th, 2006, 08:36 PM

so if there is a rash of muffler beatings where the mufflers come from auto zone you gona close the auto parts store know this souds silly but blaming the the store for some one being a crimanal is like blaming the gun for the crime one gun or a million of them never comited a murder on there own but on man or a million might

George Hill · May 22nd, 2006, 03:31 PM

So I guess the same should go for Ford for all the drunk driving deaths?

XD40 · May 22nd, 2006, 03:51 PM

The articoe states that all of the gun sales were legal. I don't see a problem with the gun shop. This 'straw purchase' ruse to sue gun shops and attempt to shut them down is a bit suspicous. It seems that in HINDSIGHT it may be obvious that the purchase was for resale to someone oels, however, it may not have been apparent at the time of the original purchase. And how many of the 178 were to the same person? or was it 150 different people, or 100 or only 5. Either way, go after those making straw purchases, the records are there to get them not the gun shop.

P95Carry · May 22nd, 2006, 04:25 PM

I doubt we have the whole skinny on this.

A gun dealer can only go by info supplied and if it seems to check out OK - there is little more they can do. The figure given of 178 is both staggering I admit very concerning - each and every gun sale that leads to crime is one more problem for us legit' folks.

Now if numerous sales were categorically proven to be illegal then yes, close a store - it is necessary to keep a tight run ship for our own sakes.

More info is needed here re how and why and when with transactions - and over what timeframe too.

Jamie Young · May 22nd, 2006, 07:45 PM

http://www.nbc10.com/news/8860289/de...subid=10101521

That bar is one block from the Pawn/Gun shop.

Do we see a trend here?

I think it's time to close the shop down and move it out of the neighborhood.

Quote:

Before anybody jumps into conclussions, How many guns were sold during that year?

I'll post them when I get them.

MattLarson · May 22nd, 2006, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie Young

http://www.nbc10.com/news/8860289/de...subid=10101521

That bar is one block from the Pawn/Gun shop.

Do we see a trend here?

I think it's time to close the shop down and move it out of the neighborhood.

I'll post them when I get them.

So you have no problem with shutting down this shop, even though your own source indicated that they have done nothing illegal?

Matt

Jamie Young · May 22nd, 2006, 11:13 PM

I think the shop needs to move out of that area. Pawn shops don't bring in the best of society in the first place. Putting a gun shop in a pawn shop is probable the root of the problem.

May 19th, 2006, 07:49 PM	#1
Jamie Young Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Posts: 466	If a gun shop IS the source of crime Should it be shutdown? http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4159028 This is a local shop and I never go there. The guns are way overpriced and the clientel are mostly from the city. That gun shop is one of 3 gun stores in the Philadelphia area that have track records like this. My opinion.... if a gun shop has statistics like this, it should be closed down and moved. Opinions? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!! Free TRP.org stickers RogueElite.netWoolrich Elite Series Distributor

May 19th, 2006, 08:28 PM	#3
Miggy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami-Dade, FL Posts: 4,380	Before anybody jumps into conclussions, How many guns were sold during that year? Check ratio before anything else. __________________ You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming. Randy Cain. GunFreeZone.net

May 22nd, 2006, 03:31 PM	#5
George Hill Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: LaPoint Utah Posts: 324	So I guess the same should go for Ford for all the drunk driving deaths? __________________ www.MadOgre.com www.concealedcarrymag.com

May 22nd, 2006, 03:51 PM	#6
XD40 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Space Coast Posts: 117	The articoe states that all of the gun sales were legal. I don't see a problem with the gun shop. This 'straw purchase' ruse to sue gun shops and attempt to shut them down is a bit suspicous. It seems that in HINDSIGHT it may be obvious that the purchase was for resale to someone oels, however, it may not have been apparent at the time of the original purchase. And how many of the 178 were to the same person? or was it 150 different people, or 100 or only 5. Either way, go after those making straw purchases, the records are there to get them not the gun shop. __________________ ---------------------------------------------- Bob McDuffee, co-host DogWatch Social Club Podcast Thoughtful Conversation, Considered Opinion and a Touch of Insanity "He who goes about unarmed in paradise, had better be sure that is where he is!" James Thurber

May 22nd, 2006, 04:25 PM	#7
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,366	I doubt we have the whole skinny on this. A gun dealer can only go by info supplied and if it seems to check out OK - there is little more they can do. The figure given of 178 is both staggering I admit very concerning - each and every gun sale that leads to crime is one more problem for us legit' folks. Now if numerous sales were categorically proven to be illegal then yes, close a store - it is necessary to keep a tight run ship for our own sakes. More info is needed here re how and why and when with transactions - and over what timeframe too. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

May 19th, 2006, 08:36 PM	#4
ssssthesnake Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: utah Posts: 554	so if there is a rash of muffler beatings where the mufflers come from auto zone you gona close the auto parts store know this souds silly but blaming the the store for some one being a crimanal is like blaming the gun for the crime one gun or a million of them never comited a murder on there own but on man or a million might

May 22nd, 2006, 11:13 PM	#10
Jamie Young Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Posts: 466	I think the shop needs to move out of that area. Pawn shops don't bring in the best of society in the first place. Putting a gun shop in a pawn shop is probable the root of the problem. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!! Free TRP.org stickers RogueElite.netWoolrich Elite Series Distributor

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