xrmeav8r

All of you that are waiting to shoot it out have a quicker way to make an impact by making contributions to the NRA, RKBA, SAF and others. They are all working hard to defeat Obama/Biden and have had some affect at the legislative level. Every dollar counts!

LongRider

No insult intended but your understanding of the law is flawed at best. Do you assume instant background checks are universal. I have no experience with instant background checks I do not assume that they do not exist, Though honestly I doubt that anyone without a permit can walk in, buy a gun and leave with it on the same day except in free states like Vermont and Alaska. Those are also the only states I know of that you do not have to wait for a permit before you can carry a gun to protect your life.

News media facts is an oxymoron. Do a search here on the Folkfest shooting in Seattle for an example of the difference between a news story and facts. Better yet read Klecks book on guns and the media

Perhaps you missed the other thread I knew Rebecca. I believe I did post some links on those threads. I shared what I know personally to be a fact about one of my numerous friends who have been harmed by gun control measures. I know a great many people with PTSD a good percentage of them are women who have been raped stalked and abused, most of the rest are vets. Would you like to speak to Rebecca mom? PM me your phone number and I will ask her to call you. Maybe you would like to share with her how you support background checks. Do not expect her to be civil, though I would expect you to be civil to her no matter what she says. Background checks that you apparently support got her baby killed and did not slow her killer down for one second. You can do a google search there are about a dozen stories on her maybe one has all the details. Just as a google search will confirm the thousands that were assaulted and killed after they learned that they could not buy guns when their life depended on their being able to get one.

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docdozer

In TN we have an instant check. It takes about 10-15 minutes on the phone by the sales person at the store. ALL store gun purchases are done this way. Somehow I think this will all be stored and come back to haunt us someday when they decide to try and grab our guns ala california in 1999.

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OPFOR

Much of the country uses instant background checks, LR. Again, how would a 10-15 minute phone call have affected the outcome of your friend's story? That was my original question - nothing more and nothing less.

I don't support waiting periods, and I never said anything about them - perhaps in your rush to throw your own emotional experiences out there you over looked that...

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rodc13

Texas has the instant background check. It takes about 10-15 minutes to purchase a firearm, whether you have your CHL or not.

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Tangle

Same in Tennessee.

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Tyler11B

Same here in good ole KY, gotta love it

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LongRider

Not one bit she would still have been unable to carry it for self defense. Or do they have fifteen minute permission slips or permits to carry. Regardless it is hypothetical as a fifteen minute background check does not / did not exist in Washington. Speaking of original point mine was and is regardless if it is a five day or fifteen minute background check they are an infringement on both my right to bear arms and my right to privacy. That costs us millions of dollars and thousands of man hours. One of the myriad of senseless expenditures that are bankrupting our nation that in no way benefits our nation. Other than to provide the government information that it has no right too.

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Abort the Obamanation not the Constitution

Those who would, deny, require permit, license, certification, or authorization for me to bear arms are as dangerous & evil as those who would molest, abuse, assault, rape or murder my family

docdozer

In the event of a BIG problem, like SHTF, the govt will suspend any 2A rights we have under Operation Garden Plot. As a federal law, it will supercede any state laws that prevent siezure of weapons. 2A is mostly a peacetime illusion which allows us to defend ourselves against BG's. In the event of a major catastrophe many of us will be instant outlaws. Not me of course, anything I own was sold at the last show :) Our government will be no different than any other if they feel that they are truly threatened by the people and that it is in our best interest if only the police and military are armed.
In the meantime, I have some ammo to buy.
Be safe, make the first one count

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What it is ain't exactly clear
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Tangle

Seems like we're confusing two things: the wait/background check to buy a gun and the carry permit to carry it. It sounds to me like the carry permit is the infringement that made the difference, not a background check to buy a gun. Or am I missing something?

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