langenc

Two steps forward-on back. Just keep the legislation coming. It wont pass-this time-but sooner or later.

Those wanting to UNdo legislation need to do the same--ala National Parks carry.

retsupt99

"What's the agenda?"

It hasn't changed in 100 years. It's still corrupt politicians more worried about greed and little about the citizen...it's ALL about $$$.

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Hopyard

The problem with these hypothesized hidden agendas and comments about corrupt polititicians and things being all about money IS that the argument can easily be turned around.

The other side makes the very same argument. It is the gun industry that promotes gun ownership and opposes "common sense laws."

See, both sides will use the same "hidden agenda" argument.

Forget "hiden agendas." It doesn't do any good to worry about them. It doesn't solve any problem even if a rare one is ferreted out and is made public.

Accusing the other side of bad faith (instead of no brains) is a waste of breath, typing finger energy, and all the rest.

Also, some (if not the vast majority) really and truly are acting in what they think is good faith. For example, while I certainly don't agree with the lady congresswoman from NY whose husband was shot on a Long Island train, I can't accuse someone in her shoes of acting in bad faith or being motivated by money.

You know, good people can and do have honest disagreements and differences of opinion or judgment.

SelfDefense

This is exactly right. Virtually all of the anti-gun people truly believe that society is better off without guns. They are right. However, there is no way to achieve that goal and moving in that direction harms innocent people and is destructive to society. That is something the antis do not understand.

I don't think a single anti-gun person believes gun control is an effort to control the people as the many frightened folks here believe. If we did not live in a representative republic, the government could at any time swat away the brave libertarians as annoying flies, with or without guns. As it turns out, we have given excess power to the government and allow them to control us using taxes and regulations.

True, but some good people are simply wrong.

TerriLi

Now I know I hit my head,I'm mostly agreeing with SelfDefense.
For the majority of Antigunners they just want to get rid of them, however illogically impossible that is to do. Some because they think it would make a safer world, others think guns are just evil. Still SelfDefense is forgetting about the powermad and hungry. They exist in every society, and must be watched for. Mostly though I think good people get stupid ideas, and never realize how stupid it is, although there are exceptions to that rule.

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HotGuns

Wanna get rid of the guns?

Then get rid of the evil in this world.

Until the evil is gone, there will always be a need for guns.

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LongRider

WRONG!! They are all 100% WRONG! I agree with HotGuns. As long as there is evil there will be a need for guns. All anti self defense fanatics who think that guns are a problem have flawed reasoning. The world would be a far worst place without them. Guns are the great equalizer the only thing that makes a 90 pound 86 year old grandmother equal to a buffed 250 pound drug crazed predator. Guns do far more good than harm. Always have. Always will as long as the good out number the evil. Guns are used to save far more lives than they take. Guns prevent far more violent crime than they are used to create crime.

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PointnClick

LongRider sez...

Gotta go with LongRider on this... in a world without guns, that 250 lb drug-addled predator would be wielding a knife or an axe handle, and even if Grandma was similarly armed, she wouldn't have a prayer...

A .38 snubbie at least gives her a chance...

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natticarry

This is something that I have always wondered. What if the President who ever it is and the attorney general appointed by the President simply decided to take guns away no matter what the supreme court says. Do you think there would really be enough people to hold him to account. The legislature could always move to impeach him but what is to make him comply. It is a similar scenario Honduras is facing. I have no doubt the world would condemn any actions by our military to arrest him and I am not sure there would be enough organization to even do it. For those who say this could never happen here there are plenty of examples where people thought the same about their country including pre-WWII Germany, and for a more recent example Hugo Chavez repealing the term limits so he can stay in power. All it takes is someone charismatic and ruthless enough to do it.

Rob72

^ At that stage, you are looking more at "insurgents" shutting down interstate trucking, rail and some (all, if possible)air traffic, as well as gas and power, into the major metropolitan areas, leaving them to burn, occupying enforcing branches to deal with the urban conflict.

The coastal areas then have to legitimize their authority, and seek food and forces from overseas.