Gun Control: What is the Agenda - Page 4

llongshot · July 15th, 2009, 04:48 PM

If you need to consider the impact had by organized crime as stated by the OP try this. One of the only two states still doing everything it can to keep it's citizens unarmed is Illinois which, due to sheer population, is controled by Chicago and vicinity. The only thing Chicago is noted for, other than Obama, is organized crime. If you make your living by taking money from honest citizens by the use of violence what happens to your profit margin when the public is allowed to defend itself? So what do you do to protect that profit? You use any money and/or muscle you can to support those who, whether they're aware they are doing it or not, support your cause.

jumpwing · July 15th, 2009, 07:05 PM

I think we're missing the bigger picture.

Why should a corrupt government care if the people possess arms when they clearly have no resolve to use them? As a tyrant, I would occasionally threaten your right to be armed because, even if my attempts are unsuccessful, it will divert your attention from all the other ways in which I'm violating my citizens. You're so busy defending the 2A that you don't have time to hold me accountable for anything else.

Fred · July 16th, 2009, 05:09 AM

Only free men own and can carry guns. It's not too hard to reason out what the agenda is. At least for those who care about such things.

tiwee · July 16th, 2009, 03:23 PM

It has been 40 years, but we Navy types(at my lowly level) were to respond based upon the enemy's capability and behavior. The motive, agenda, appearance, or communication of the threat was secondary. Target status was earned because of actions/capabilities, not motive, etc.

That is a good way to look at the gun control movement. Do not worry about their motives, agenda, etc. That diverts our attention and effort from defending and advancing gun rights. We have to resist what they have the ability to do and what they actually do, not their motive.

Focus on what we can control. Letters to the editor. Writing or visiting our elected representatives. Finding and supporting gun friendly candidates. Identifying and opposing gun enemies. Finding others to join our effort. Joining groups that support 2A rights. Most of us do that now.

As an elected small town mayor, I took much more notice of the complaint that was written or the visitor to my office than of the passing comment on the street. If someone thought enough of a problem to actually sit down and write a letter, it must be important to them. If they came into the office, it must be important to them. Not so much if they saw me on the street and said, "Oh, by the way....." Certainly not if I never heard from them. The old, "I saw so&so the other day and she said.....", didn't cut no ice with me. If old so&so had a problem he wanted me to work, he had better tell me himself.

The same with praise. It was nice to get a letter or visit from someone that had good things to say. So don't forget those that have been supportive of gun rights. Drop them a line and say thanks. These are things we can do to advance our cause.

automatic slim · July 16th, 2009, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hopyard

Sullivan laws and similar. I really think the folks who push these don't have hidden agendas. They just don't see the other side, the usefulness of a gun for self-defense, the usefulness of a gun for sporting purposes, or the usefulness of gun ownership as a hobby.

Fear is often an irrational emotion, and the anti- gun ownership/gun rights folks are driven by an irrational emotion--the fear that guns cause gun violence.

Now, sadly, too many bad things happen when BGs get their hands on guns, but BGs will get them no matter what--or use knives, or clubs, or nails, or whatever they can get their hands on. That's the part the other side just is not able to comprehend.

"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed".-

Sarah Brady 1/94

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."-

Bill Clinton 3/1/93

"Waiting periods are only a step, registration is only a step, the prohibition of private firearms is the goal."-

Janet Reno 5/3/03

"I don't care if you think it's your right, you should not be allowed to own a gun. If you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison."-

Rosie O'donnell 4/21/99

You're right, no agenda here.

LongRider · July 17th, 2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiwee

That is a good way to look at the gun control movement. Do not worry about their motives, agenda, etc. That diverts our attention and effort from defending and advancing gun rights. We have to resist what they have the ability to do and what they actually do, not their motive.

Well thought out post and insights. I agree we need to maintain ground we have gained and move forward. Be proactive, as well as responsive to the enemies actions. Maintaining our 2A right s is like riding on the down escalator we can get to the top but we must keep moving forward to do so
Good points in your closing as well a thank you and ATTA Boy to those that earn it never hurts

Thanis · July 17th, 2009, 07:24 PM

The motive matters. I don't think lack of communication on various social issues has helped the country. In a democratic republic it is important to dialog. One of the basics of dialog is to understand motive.

zacii · July 17th, 2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thanis

+1

There are a % that do have a motive beyond the gun laws, but the same is true concerning a % who speak pro-gun.

Everyone has a motive. For good or for bad. Rooting out if that motive is moral and/or legal, is the hard part.

rottkeeper · July 17th, 2009, 09:54 PM

In a word, CONTROL.

July 15th, 2009, 07:05 PM	#32
jumpwing Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 374	I think we're missing the bigger picture. Why should a corrupt government care if the people possess arms when they clearly have no resolve to use them? As a tyrant, I would occasionally threaten your right to be armed because, even if my attempts are unsuccessful, it will divert your attention from all the other ways in which I'm violating my citizens. You're so busy defending the 2A that you don't have time to hold me accountable for anything else. __________________ "The flock sleep peaceably in their pasture at night because Sheepdogs stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

July 16th, 2009, 05:09 AM	#33
Fred Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: PNW Posts: 129	Only free men own and can carry guns. It's not too hard to reason out what the agenda is. At least for those who care about such things. __________________ There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. - General Smedley Butler Romans 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].

July 16th, 2009, 03:23 PM	#34
tiwee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozarks Posts: 1,002	It has been 40 years, but we Navy types(at my lowly level) were to respond based upon the enemy's capability and behavior. The motive, agenda, appearance, or communication of the threat was secondary. Target status was earned because of actions/capabilities, not motive, etc. That is a good way to look at the gun control movement. Do not worry about their motives, agenda, etc. That diverts our attention and effort from defending and advancing gun rights. We have to resist what they have the ability to do and what they actually do, not their motive. Focus on what we can control. Letters to the editor. Writing or visiting our elected representatives. Finding and supporting gun friendly candidates. Identifying and opposing gun enemies. Finding others to join our effort. Joining groups that support 2A rights. Most of us do that now. As an elected small town mayor, I took much more notice of the complaint that was written or the visitor to my office than of the passing comment on the street. If someone thought enough of a problem to actually sit down and write a letter, it must be important to them. If they came into the office, it must be important to them. Not so much if they saw me on the street and said, "Oh, by the way....." Certainly not if I never heard from them. The old, "I saw so&so the other day and she said.....", didn't cut no ice with me. If old so&so had a problem he wanted me to work, he had better tell me himself. The same with praise. It was nice to get a letter or visit from someone that had good things to say. So don't forget those that have been supportive of gun rights. Drop them a line and say thanks. These are things we can do to advance our cause. __________________ Amendment 2 advocate - Trying to explain the obvious to the oblivious.

July 17th, 2009, 07:24 PM	#37
Thanis Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,704	The motive matters. I don't think lack of communication on various social issues has helped the country. In a democratic republic it is important to dialog. One of the basics of dialog is to understand motive. __________________ NRA Member S&W 642 (no-lock) with .38 Spl +P 135 GR Gold GDHP Glock G31 & G33 with .357 Sig 125 GR. SXT Winchester Ranger

July 17th, 2009, 09:54 PM	#39
rottkeeper VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,225	In a word, CONTROL. __________________ For as the lighting comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:27 NRA Member

July 15th, 2009, 04:48 PM	#31
llongshot Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Deep Southern Illinois Posts: 277	If you need to consider the impact had by organized crime as stated by the OP try this. One of the only two states still doing everything it can to keep it's citizens unarmed is Illinois which, due to sheer population, is controled by Chicago and vicinity. The only thing Chicago is noted for, other than Obama, is organized crime. If you make your living by taking money from honest citizens by the use of violence what happens to your profit margin when the public is allowed to defend itself? So what do you do to protect that profit? You use any money and/or muscle you can to support those who, whether they're aware they are doing it or not, support your cause.

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