Gun Control: What is the Agenda

agentmel · June 26th, 2009, 12:51 PM

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Gun Control: What Is the Agenda?

by Paul Craig Roberts

Some years or decades ago I researched and reported on the Sullivan Act, one of America’s first gun control laws.

New York state senator Timothy Sullivan, a corrupt Tammany Hall politician, represented New York’s Red Hook district. Commercial travelers passing through the district would be relieved of their valuables by armed robbers. In order to protect themselves and their property, travelers armed themselves. This raised the risk of, and reduced the profit from, robbery. Sullivan’s outlaw constituents demanded that Sullivan introduce a law that would prohibit concealed carry of pistols, blackjacks, and daggers, thus reducing the risk to robbers from armed victims.

The criminals, of course, were already breaking the law and had no intention of being deterred by the Sullivan Act from their business activity of armed robbery. Thus, the effect of the Sullivan Act was precisely what the criminals intended. It made their life of crime easier.

As the first successful gun control advocates were criminals, I have often wondered what agenda lies behind the well-organized and propagandistic gun control organizations and their donors and sponsors in the US today. The propaganda issued by these organizations consists of transparent lies.

Consider the propagandistic term, "gun violence," popularized by gun control advocates. This is a form of reification by which inanimate objects are imbued with the ability to act and to commit violence. Guns, of course, cannot be violent in themselves. Violence comes from people who use guns and a variety of other weapons, including fists, to commit violence.

Nevertheless, we hear incessantly the Orwellian Newspeak term,...

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Mel

Tombstone55 · June 26th, 2009, 01:06 PM

It's all about POWER.

tangoseal · June 26th, 2009, 05:54 PM

I know all about that now look at where the laws have gone.

Complete and total lust for control of the people. It really is the Devil's work if you ask me.

Hopyard · June 26th, 2009, 10:41 PM

Sullivan laws and similar. I really think the folks who push these don't have hidden agendas. They just don't see the other side, the usefulness of a gun for self-defense, the usefulness of a gun for sporting purposes, or the usefulness of gun ownership as a hobby.

Fear is often an irrational emotion, and the anti- gun ownership/gun rights folks are driven by an irrational emotion--the fear that guns cause gun violence.

Now, sadly, too many bad things happen when BGs get their hands on guns, but BGs will get them no matter what--or use knives, or clubs, or nails, or whatever they can get their hands on. That's the part the other side just is not able to comprehend.

HotGuns · June 26th, 2009, 10:54 PM

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That's the part the other side just is not able to comprehend.

If they are too stupid to comprehend what most of us see as a simple truth...then they really shouldn't be making laws.

Unless of course they don't care, and they really do have an agenda.

There are two kinds of people that embrace gun control. Those that are ignorant and those that want total control. Neither of them are worth a good bullet.

farronwolf · June 26th, 2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HotGuns

There are two kinds of people that embrace gun control. Those that are ignorant and those that want total control. Neither of them are worth a good bullet.

Sure they are, and I bet many here would be willing to donate the bullet.

ccw9mm · June 26th, 2009, 11:48 PM

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Gun Control: What is the Agenda

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Originally Posted by tangoseal

Complete and total lust for control of the people. It really is the Devil's work if you ask me.

Yup. That about covers it.

miklcolt45 · June 27th, 2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hopyard

Sullivan laws and similar. I really think the folks who push these don't have hidden agendas. They just don't see the other side, the usefulness of a gun for self-defense, the usefulness of a gun for sporting purposes, or the usefulness of gun ownership as a hobby.

Fear is often an irrational emotion, and the anti- gun ownership/gun rights folks are driven by an irrational emotion--the fear that guns cause gun violence.

Now, sadly, too many bad things happen when BGs get their hands on guns, but BGs will get them no matter what--or use knives, or clubs, or nails, or whatever they can get their hands on. That's the part the other side just is not able to comprehend.

Hop,

I agree in part.

I think most people have an irrational fear of guns.
I think the leadership of these groups have a hidden agenda--I think it most often is control. They just use those who are acting out of their fear to swell their ranks and give them some legitimacy. "See how many people are opposed to guns?" they say, and thereby hide the real reason THEY are there...the control.

JMO.

JohnKelly · June 27th, 2009, 12:57 AM

If a citizen defends him or her self against a criminal using lethal force, then there will be no prison space taken up nor guards required. That equals less money for prisons and staff. How much power to prison lobbys have, quite a bit I would imagine.

LongRider · June 27th, 2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hopyard

Sullivan laws and similar. I really think the folks who push these don't have hidden agendas.

The OP just presented us with historical facts outlining how the first gun control law in the US was created by criminals’ with a hidden agenda. That is a fact not an opinion. It happened as stated. Research it for yourself.

Any study of gun control or weapon control laws throughout history will show an agenda by those that initiate and impose them. That agenda is invariably an effort to control the populace by making them defenseless. To think that those initiating and promoting gun control in this country are the only gun control advocates in history to ever do so without a plan create a defenseless unarmed population is absurd. Our founding father knew that, which is why the second amendment exists. To assure that the leaders of this country would never ever have unarmed defenseless subjects. The second amendment is not about sports shooting, hunting or even self defense it is about making sure we the people can defend ourselves against tyrants.

Of course that is not to say all those that support gun control have a hidden agenda. Not all the sheep who support gun control plan on becoming subjects of a totalitarian government. They are simply sheep who follow along believing the propaganda perpetuated by those who do want us all defenseless. That is what makes them sheep. Sheep who are unwilling or unable to see the possibility of a hidden agenda behind the touchy feely, feel good, myths created by the wanna-be RULERS of the United States.

Once we begin to see the possibility of the hidden agenda do we begin to realize how truly deadly the anti self defense fanatics are. How important it is that we stop them and defend our civil rights

June 26th, 2009, 05:54 PM	#3
tangoseal Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: WoodStock, Georgia Posts: 348	I know all about that now look at where the laws have gone. Complete and total lust for control of the people. It really is the Devil's work if you ask me. __________________ "I believe that the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms must not be infringed if liberty in America is to survive." - Ronald Reagan

June 27th, 2009, 12:57 AM	#9
JohnKelly Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Posts: 482	If a citizen defends him or her self against a criminal using lethal force, then there will be no prison space taken up nor guards required. That equals less money for prisons and staff. How much power to prison lobbys have, quite a bit I would imagine. __________________ "A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3

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Hopyard VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: College Station Posts: 2,835	Sullivan laws and similar. I really think the folks who push these don't have hidden agendas. They just don't see the other side, the usefulness of a gun for self-defense, the usefulness of a gun for sporting purposes, or the usefulness of gun ownership as a hobby. Fear is often an irrational emotion, and the anti- gun ownership/gun rights folks are driven by an irrational emotion--the fear that guns cause gun violence. Now, sadly, too many bad things happen when BGs get their hands on guns, but BGs will get them no matter what--or use knives, or clubs, or nails, or whatever they can get their hands on. That's the part the other side just is not able to comprehend.