Hopyard

You are entitled to that viewpoint, however at this moment in history it appears that your view is not where the majority view is.

Besides, you are paying for other's health care (one way or the other) with higher insurance costs, tax breaks for hospitals, tax support (often pretty much the whole bill) for your doctors to get educated. We are all paying one way or the other already. It has been estimated that we pay at least 1K per year more for our health insurance to cover ER visits by the uninsured. We pay 20-30 % of our health care dollar in needless administrative costs. Why not try something different as the present stuff ain't exactly working very well.

As for the claims that it doesn't work in other countries, these are mostly bogus. I know from personal experience or experience of relatives in both Canada and Australia. The French system reportedly has the best outcomes. And I have web friends in the UK who get the care they need as well.

Your world view of "private enterprise" can solve all problems is as clearly mistaken as the view that government can solve all problems.
But, there is a difference. You get a tiny voice in a government program and no voice in the private system.

SelfDefense

Indeed. The majority of liberals/libertarians are defeating the plurality of conservatives. And the fringe is enabing a [hope and] change that most Americans don't want.

I can choose to buy insurance.If the cost is to high I can shop elsewhere.

Hospitals (and churches and charities) should not receive tax breaks.

I am unfamiliar with this tax exempt education that doctors receive. Can you elaborate? I thought they took out loans to pay for their education.

It has been estimated that we pay at least 1K per year more for our health insurance to cover ER visits by the uninsured.[/QUOTE]

Those without money should not receive care UNLESS those giving care want to work without compensation. Why should I be forced to pay for some lazy person's medical care? And the fact is that it is not insurance issue, it is a government issue. Just ask all the hospitals that were forced to close in Southern Arizona because the illegal scumbags sneak across the border and expect us to take care of them.

Which part is needless? Perhaps you should become a consultant and implement a Six Sigma process improvement plan.

[QUOTE}Why not try something different as the present stuff ain't exactly working very well.[/QUOTE]

I think it works perfectly well. I buy insurance. I choose my doctor and my treatment and I have the freedom to make my own decisions. Why do you want to take that away? Because a lazy person was unwilling to take personal responsibility for his health care?

As lng as you are t old, or too infirm, or require expensive prescriptions, procedures or even use of medical equipent.

Are you are of the difference in the number of MRI machines in Canada versus the United States? Do you know why that is?

It doesn't matter wheher it can solve all problems. That is not the goal of private enterprise or government.

Completely wrong. I have the loudest voice in the private system. I can choose which service or product I use. If I don't think I am getting good value THEN I CAN START MY OWN BUSINESS.

jumpwing

Faith in government is dangerous foolishness. People have been putting their faith in government instead of keeping a very close, very suspicious eye on those with power and it has cost us one liberty after another and trillions of dollars. The attention of the masses are so easily diverted that those we have elected no longer maintain even the pretense of being devoted to the common good.

Government is a dangerous, aggressive beast on a chain that is just as dangerous to its master as it is to the master's enemies. Faith in government? No thanks.

__________________
"The flock sleep peaceably in their pasture at night because Sheepdogs stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

SAnta01

So, our gov. is working as it was set up to run? Whewre is the term Czar in the Constitution? Who do these Czars report to, who are they accountable to? It is not the people or their Reps. It's one man Obama. Now let me see... no not in my copy, how about yours?

Hopyard

First off, we have long had a variety of "Czars." These are nothing more than special appointmentees to get a job done. Hence, we have a
"Drug Czar"--the head of the White House Office of Drug Policy (don't recall the precise title). There has been one in several administrations, certainly including Reagan and both Bushes. Did you remember to criticize them for having "czars?" I'm sure you approve of a "drug czar" to coordinate the anti-drug activities in our nation. No? Be careful how you answer or you might appear to be pro- illegal drugs!

Second, your assertion about "one man Obama" is ridiculous. He has no such power as we are about to see when partisan obstructionsim and back stabbers in his own party demolish efforts to get coherent legislation for health care reform. If he was "one man Obama" and some sort of Czar, of course such problems wouldn't happnen.

Hopyard

O.K., a rare point of agreement. But that isn't the way things are.

I said nothing about such a thing. I was talking about the tax support for the medical schools and health science centers which make it possible for folks to go to publicly funded medical schools, often at little or not tuition expense.

I'm in the process of trying to get an FOI request answered on what it costs our state to educate each medical student. I think the figure is something like 2 million to 3 million each over 4 years. For that, I think they owe us taxpayer more reasonably priced services.

Just for quick grins, the A&M U. Health Science Center has a unified budget of 84 million per their website; and collects about 4 million in tuition fees. We taxpayers should expect something for our 80 million dollars per year besides rip-off bills.

(For any docs here who went to a private medical school, I've no quarrel. Different educational costs, less taxpayer involvement.)

GizmoHD

Oh I see it.. and it makes me sick

__________________
"Deeds Not Words" - Motto of the USS Gettysburg
NRA Life Member
http://www.alioofficium.com/ (Personal Responsibility)