Open Public Meeting, Gun Laws, Trenton, NJ

smity · September 13th, 2009, 12:46 AM

To all within driving distance of Trenton, NJ:

We have a one time opportunity to speak to Governor Corzine’s Handgun Task Force.

The Handgun Task Force is going to review all NJ gun laws over the next 18 months (starting from July 27), starting with a review of the one-handgun-a-month law.

There is an open public meeting on September 24, at 11:00am at the State House Annex, Committee Room 4, in Trenton, NJ.

Anyone can attend, but if you want to testify, you have to call Sobande Afolabi, in the Gov’s Counsel’s office, 609-777-2462.

I called the State House Annex and confirmed that Committee Room 4 holds only about 150 people. Therefore, it is critical that we get there early and with as many people as possible.

I am sure that, whether you live in New Jersey, or you have to drive through New Jersey occasionally, that you are equally as fed up with the ridiculous gun control laws in this state. This is one of those very rare occasions where we can actually be heard.

If anyone chooses to attend, please post as such. I am going to be posting this on multiple forums and I would like to keep a running total of those attending.

Thanks for your help and good luck to everyone!

Smity

stanislaskasava · September 13th, 2009, 01:17 AM

I am nowhere near New Jersey. What is the purpose of reviewing the gun laws? Is this a publicity stunt for re-election or is Corzine's Task Force actually reviewing the laws for any reason other than to rub them in your face?

automatic slim · September 13th, 2009, 01:26 AM

If it's Corzines task force, what would be the point? Kind of like being in Berlin in 1942 and attending a conference hosted by the SS to review Hitlers plan for the Final Solution.

Eagleks · September 13th, 2009, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by automatic slim

If it's Corzines task force, what would be the point? Kind of like being in Berlin in 1942 and attending a conference hosted by the SS to review Hitlers plan for the Final Solution.

That's about right.

Or

"now, what's your name Sir, and do you own any guns ? ". ......

smity · September 13th, 2009, 04:04 AM

Don't forget, carrying in national parks was impossible also... that goes into effect in Feb, 2010.

Smity

DaveH · September 13th, 2009, 12:11 PM

Good luck!

FWIIW -- sometimes a majority of the attendees with highly visible Pro-RKBA stickers (VCDL uses :Guns Save Lives) and /or empty holsters helps make the point.

A couple sessions ago, when the brady bunch bussed less than 100 people from Virginia Tech to the State House (to support requiring background checks on private sales/transfers by individuals), about 600 RKBA folk showed up with "Guns Save Lives" stickers/buttons. Those highly visible silent reminders did not go un-noticed by the politicos or the press -- albeit most did not actually speak during the comment period.

smity · September 13th, 2009, 03:03 PM

Thanks, those are good suggestions. We can use all the help that we can get.

Smity

press1280 · September 14th, 2009, 08:53 PM

Smity, 2 things you need to ask are:

1) Will the One-Gun-a-Month law apply to retailers as well as individuals? Evan Nappen has stated that is the case, and the way NJ law is written, everything is illegal unless otherwise stated. If the law applies to retailers, they'll be out of buisness very fast.

2) Will the state actually enforce the 30-day approval for purchase permits? Most of the NJ localities drag their feet and it's taken 6 months-1 year to get 1 handgun for some. So now with this law, it's not 12 handguns/year max, it's more like 1 or maybe 2 per year.

ccman · September 14th, 2009, 09:00 PM

Be careful you are not arrested and send to a work camp. It happened before you know.

smity · September 16th, 2009, 10:37 PM

This is the list of those "invited" to testify in front of the TF.

Scott L. Bach, Esq., National Rifle Association
Frank Caso -- Owner of Caso's Gun-A-Rama Inc in Jersey City, NJ
Kathy Chatterton -- National Champion, 2009 Standard Pistol
Thomas Comey, Police Chief, Jersey City Police Department -- Stated that pump action shotguns are assault weapons
Craig Dear -- unknown
Stan Gurski, New Jersey Arms Collectors
Jerramiah T. Healy, Mayor, Jersey City -- supports OGAM and other gun control
Andrew Jennison, National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action
Carol Katona, Citizen’s Rifle & Revolver Club
David Lang -- ANJRPC -- Director, International Pistol
Dale Leddon -- unknown
Carl Leisinger -- expert witness in firearms and ballistics -- high power shooter
Jake McGuigan, National Shooting Sports Foundation
Evan F. Nappen, Esq. -- pro gun attorney
Gary Needleman, Esq. -- pro gun attorney
Butch Sacco, New Jersey Retail Dealers Association
George Shivery, Jr., Mullica Rife and Pistol Club, Mayor, Gibbstown
Brian Sisz -- Owner of the Sportmen's Center, Bordentown, NJ
Mitchell Sklar, New Jersey Association of Chiefs of Police (position on the issue unknown)
Ed Tarpy, New Jersey Retail Dealers Association
Don A. Toenshoff -- President, Central Jersey Rifle & Pistol Club
Robert L. Viden, Association of New Jersey Firearms Retailers

It is very important that anyone who can attend does so to support the folks that are testifying on our behalf.

If anyone knows anything about those that I listed as unknown, please let us know who they are and their position of the issue. Thanks!

Smity

September 13th, 2009, 12:46 AM	#1
smity Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 35	Open Public Meeting, Gun Laws, Trenton, NJ To all within driving distance of Trenton, NJ: We have a one time opportunity to speak to Governor Corzine’s Handgun Task Force. The Handgun Task Force is going to review all NJ gun laws over the next 18 months (starting from July 27), starting with a review of the one-handgun-a-month law. There is an open public meeting on September 24, at 11:00am at the State House Annex, Committee Room 4, in Trenton, NJ. Anyone can attend, but if you want to testify, you have to call Sobande Afolabi, in the Gov’s Counsel’s office, 609-777-2462. I called the State House Annex and confirmed that Committee Room 4 holds only about 150 people. Therefore, it is critical that we get there early and with as many people as possible. I am sure that, whether you live in New Jersey, or you have to drive through New Jersey occasionally, that you are equally as fed up with the ridiculous gun control laws in this state. This is one of those very rare occasions where we can actually be heard. If anyone chooses to attend, please post as such. I am going to be posting this on multiple forums and I would like to keep a running total of those attending. Thanks for your help and good luck to everyone! Smity

September 13th, 2009, 01:26 AM	#3
automatic slim Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The western edge of The Confederacy Posts: 1,223	If it's Corzines task force, what would be the point? Kind of like being in Berlin in 1942 and attending a conference hosted by the SS to review Hitlers plan for the Final Solution. __________________ "First gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand." Edge of Darkness

September 13th, 2009, 12:11 PM	#6
DaveH VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 2,395	Good luck! FWIIW -- sometimes a majority of the attendees with highly visible Pro-RKBA stickers (VCDL uses :Guns Save Lives) and /or empty holsters helps make the point. A couple sessions ago, when the brady bunch bussed less than 100 people from Virginia Tech to the State House (to support requiring background checks on private sales/transfers by individuals), about 600 RKBA folk showed up with "Guns Save Lives" stickers/buttons. Those highly visible silent reminders did not go un-noticed by the politicos or the press -- albeit most did not actually speak during the comment period. __________________ Μολὼν λαβέ I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL BTW -- I am neither a lawyer, nor I do not play one on television or on the Internet. I hope no one assumes that I am giving legal advice Veni, Vidi, Velcro

September 14th, 2009, 08:53 PM	#8
press1280 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WV Posts: 591	Smity, 2 things you need to ask are: 1) Will the One-Gun-a-Month law apply to retailers as well as individuals? Evan Nappen has stated that is the case, and the way NJ law is written, everything is illegal unless otherwise stated. If the law applies to retailers, they'll be out of buisness very fast. 2) Will the state actually enforce the 30-day approval for purchase permits? Most of the NJ localities drag their feet and it's taken 6 months-1 year to get 1 handgun for some. So now with this law, it's not 12 handguns/year max, it's more like 1 or maybe 2 per year. __________________ And if the cabin door of the freedman is broken open and the intruder enters for purposes as vile as were known to slavery, then should a well-loaded musket be in the hand of the occupant to send the polluted wretch to another world, where his wretchedness will forever remain complete

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September 13th, 2009, 01:17 AM	#2
stanislaskasava Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: U.S. Posts: 666	I am nowhere near New Jersey. What is the purpose of reviewing the gun laws? Is this a publicity stunt for re-election or is Corzine's Task Force actually reviewing the laws for any reason other than to rub them in your face?

September 13th, 2009, 04:04 AM	#5
smity Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 35	Don't forget, carrying in national parks was impossible also... that goes into effect in Feb, 2010. Smity

September 13th, 2009, 03:03 PM	#7
smity Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 35	Thanks, those are good suggestions. We can use all the help that we can get. Smity

September 14th, 2009, 09:00 PM	#9
ccman Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: CT, USA Posts: 1,391	Be careful you are not arrested and send to a work camp. It happened before you know.

September 16th, 2009, 10:37 PM	#10
smity Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 35	This is the list of those "invited" to testify in front of the TF. Scott L. Bach, Esq., National Rifle Association Frank Caso -- Owner of Caso's Gun-A-Rama Inc in Jersey City, NJ Kathy Chatterton -- National Champion, 2009 Standard Pistol Thomas Comey, Police Chief, Jersey City Police Department -- Stated that pump action shotguns are assault weapons Craig Dear -- unknown Stan Gurski, New Jersey Arms Collectors Jerramiah T. Healy, Mayor, Jersey City -- supports OGAM and other gun control Andrew Jennison, National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action Carol Katona, Citizen’s Rifle & Revolver Club David Lang -- ANJRPC -- Director, International Pistol Dale Leddon -- unknown Carl Leisinger -- expert witness in firearms and ballistics -- high power shooter Jake McGuigan, National Shooting Sports Foundation Evan F. Nappen, Esq. -- pro gun attorney Gary Needleman, Esq. -- pro gun attorney Butch Sacco, New Jersey Retail Dealers Association George Shivery, Jr., Mullica Rife and Pistol Club, Mayor, Gibbstown Brian Sisz -- Owner of the Sportmen's Center, Bordentown, NJ Mitchell Sklar, New Jersey Association of Chiefs of Police (position on the issue unknown) Ed Tarpy, New Jersey Retail Dealers Association Don A. Toenshoff -- President, Central Jersey Rifle & Pistol Club Robert L. Viden, Association of New Jersey Firearms Retailers It is very important that anyone who can attend does so to support the folks that are testifying on our behalf. If anyone knows anything about those that I listed as unknown, please let us know who they are and their position of the issue. Thanks! Smity