Fitchburg MA police reviewing gun licenses following murder

paramedic70002 · September 19th, 2009, 10:56 AM

Nowhere in the article does it say that the shooter had a Class A license. (like it matters anyway)

Fitchburg police reviewing gun licenses following murders - Sentinel & Enterprise

Fitchburg police reviewing gun licenses following murders

By Jack Minch, jminch@sentinelandenterprise.com
Posted: 09/10/2009 06

48 AM EDT

FITCHBURG -- The Police Department is reviewing all gun licenses in the city in the aftermath of Sunday morning's double slaying on Mechanic Street, Police Chief Robert A. DeMoura said during Mayor Lisa Wong's weekly press conference Wednesday.

The department has liberally issued Class A licenses to carry concealed weapons in recent years, but DeMoura said he plans to make it harder to get one in the future.

Gun owners may be concerned about protecting their license to carry weapons but DeMoura said he has to protect public safety.

"I'm clearly going to change our process that allows individuals to readily get a firearms permit," he said.

Gun owners can also get a Class B permit to carry an unloaded weapon in a locked box in the trunk of their vehicles, DeMoura said.

Many of the licenses to carry concealed weapons are held in the city's most populous neighborhoods, DeMoura said.

He plans to hold hearings during the renewal process in which gun owners would justify the need to carry a concealed weapon, DeMoura said.

"We are not just going to give out firearm permits just because someone asks for one," DeMoura said. "Or if we do, we are going to be very stringent and follow the guidelines and very clearly, I'm not looking at having everyone who gets a license to carry and possess it on them."

It was not immediately clear following the press conference how many gun owners have permits to carry concealed weapons.

DeMoura

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also announced he met with School Superintendent Andre Ravenelle and representatives from District Attorney Joseph D. Early Jr.'s office as well as other officials, looking at root causes for crime in the city on Wednesday. The meeting was arranged about a month ago, he said.
DeMoura said he wants to bring together agencies responsible for oversight of youths to ensure their basic needs are met so they do not turn to crime.

"That's what we're trying to do, bring different and unique programs to the city that actually look at the core of a problem that results in violence to the kid," he said after the press conference.

"That if that's not taken care of, the kid could become more violent because he believes nobody cares for him ... those are the things you have to look at that causes a kid at some point to commit a violent act."

automatic slim · September 19th, 2009, 11:12 AM

Typical democrats, just looking for an excuse to infringe on someones rights. Mass SUCKS!

retsupt99 · September 19th, 2009, 11:16 AM

Wow! Not there's a smart police chief

...some dirtbag shoots someone and he decides to take licenses away from good citizens, or at least make it more difficult for potential victims to protect themselves.
Maybe he should also take the ability to protect one's self from his officers...can't be too careful you know.

BikerRN · September 19th, 2009, 11:27 AM

Police Chiefs serve at the pleasure of the Mayor or City Council.

First, I would be looking into getting rid of whatever body appointed this moron. Then I would be looking into getting rid of the moron. No sense nipping off the flower, when the vine is still producing poisionous flowers, so to speak.

Biker

tangoseal · September 19th, 2009, 12:13 PM

You want my reason to get a concealed permit.... el capitan!

It's my unalienable right to inherent self defense. Now you are going to give me my permit or else you, me, my lawer, and a federal judge will simplify these matters in the supreme court. Where I will win and you will lose your career.

DaveH · September 19th, 2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by paramedic70002

Nowhere in the article does it say that the shooter had a Class A license. (like it matters anyway)

Wonder what his plans are about knives and machetes?

Police at scene before fatal melee - Sentinel & Enterprise

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Police at scene before fatal melee
By Jack Minch, jminch@sentinelandenterprise.com
Posted: 09/08/2009 06

06 AM EDT

FITCHBURG -- Shortly before the violence that led to a double slaying broke out early Sunday, police had visited the scene on Mechanic Street in response to a report of a fight, said Chief Robert DeMoura.

Nobody was in the parking lot outside the multifamily home at 96 Mechanic St., when officers arrived, DeMoura said. They spoke to the people inside the first-floor apartment where there was a small gathering about 3 a.m., he said.

"They said there were a few people there," DeMoura said. "They looked inside .... there wasn't anybody causing a disturbance and they left."

Two people were killed and two others injured in the melee that started Sunday about 4:40 a.m., in a squabble over parking spaces, District Attorney Joseph Early Jr. said Monday.

"One vehicle was blocking the other vehicle," Early said. "So there was a request at some point to move the vehicle. This led to an exchange of words, which led to a further exchange of words. It then escalated to where there was violence using knives, guns and a machete."

Pedro Genoa, 17, of 137 Meadowbrook Lane, a junior at Fitchburg High School, died at UMass Medical Center in Worcester after suffering several injuries, including a gunshot wound to the abdomen.

Nelson Geraldino, 18, of 15 Crestview Lane, was stabbed multiple times and died at HealthAlliance Hospital/Leominster.

Genoa's brother, Ronny Genoa, 18, of 137 Meadowbrook Lane, who graduated from Montachusett Regional Technical

High School in Fitchburg this year, suffered multiple gunshot wounds, Early's office said. He was in UMass Medical Center, but his condition was not available Monday evening. Early's office said he was in stable condition Sunday.
Orville Carrion, 22, and Jose Carrion, 27, both of 96 Mechanic St., Unit 3, were treated and released at HealthAlliance Hospital/Leominster, then charged with murder.

Ronny Genoa is charged with assault with intent to murder and mayhem.

All three men were held without bail.

The Carrions are scheduled for arraignment at Fitchburg District Court today.

One other person whom officials did not identify suffered serious head and arm injuries, Early said.

Early also said a 15-year-old middle-school student was also involved in the melee, but it was unclear whether he was among those injured.

A gun recovered from the scene belonged to Orville Carrion, who had a license to carry the weapon, Early said. He declined to say whether all the weapons have been recovered.

"The party was being hosted by an adult," he said. "That's all part of the investigation. It's something we're looking at -- whether there was alcohol involved, whether there were drugs involved."

The earlier call apparently had nothing to do with the shooting, Early said.

DeMoura said there would be a strong police presence at Fitchburg High School and Longsjo Middle School today, and that he will meet with Superintendent of Schools Andre Ravenelle today to discuss the killings.

Neighbors described a scene of fear and chaos during the fighting. The area was dark because streetlights along Mechanic Street have been turned off, they said.

"It was very loud," said Jennifer Gilchrist of 110 Mechanic St. "It scared me because I thought they were going to shoot into my house. The kids were screaming, 'Help, help, don't shoot me.'"

Police are investigating why such young people were at a gathering with an adult so late in the evening, Early said.

Jim Morgan and Joe Beatham, of 104 Mechanic St., said they woke up to the sound of gunshots next door.

One of the victims collapsed in front of their home while another dropped to the ground across the street, they said.

"There was a bunch of shooting and a lot of screaming," said Morgan, who called 911. "You could hear people saying, 'Help, help, help me.'"

Beatham said he has lived in his home for 15 years, and the violence was out of character for his neighbors. The house next door is normally quiet, he said.

"It seems since the streetlights were turned off, things are escalating," he said. "We were in pitch blackness."

Maria Troche, of 113 Mechanic St., said her husband installed a large parking lot-style light on the front of the house after the shooting.

"Yes, I'm scared," she said.

Yahaira Figueroa, who lives on the second floor at 96 Mechanic St. with her two children, said parking is a regular problem. She described the Carrions as courteous people but did not know them well.

She lamented the violence and said she had planned to move even before Sunday's shootings.

"When there is alcohol and stuff going on, nothing good is going to happen," she said.

BTW --note

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A gun recovered from the scene belonged to Orville Carrion, who had a license to carry the weapon,

As if as you said it really matters. OTOH, he could have been a victim defending himself from the crowd, as far as we know.

oldogy · September 19th, 2009, 01:24 PM

All Y'all boys need to send him a paper upon which is written in very large letters, the second amendment.
oldogy

mcp1810 · September 19th, 2009, 02:00 PM

So let me get this straight. One of the deceased died from knife wounds. One of the deceased died from "multiple injuries" including a gunshot wound. The weapon involved belonged to a person that lives at the scene. And this could have been avoided by the person who lives there not being allowed to carry on the street?

AceHi · September 19th, 2009, 06:39 PM

Unfortunately, Mass is a "may issue" state so it is up to the sole descretion of the county sheriff and he doesn't have to have a reason to deny you a permit. That's a big reason I wouldn't want to live there.

Supertac45 · September 20th, 2009, 02:23 AM

Moron? This guy has no clue on what the law is.

September 19th, 2009, 10:56 AM	#1
paramedic70002 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Franklin, VA Posts: 2,682	Fitchburg MA police reviewing gun licenses following murder Nowhere in the article does it say that the shooter had a Class A license. (like it matters anyway) Fitchburg police reviewing gun licenses following murders - Sentinel & Enterprise Fitchburg police reviewing gun licenses following murders By Jack Minch, jminch@sentinelandenterprise.com Posted: 09/10/2009 0648 AM EDT FITCHBURG -- The Police Department is reviewing all gun licenses in the city in the aftermath of Sunday morning's double slaying on Mechanic Street, Police Chief Robert A. DeMoura said during Mayor Lisa Wong's weekly press conference Wednesday. The department has liberally issued Class A licenses to carry concealed weapons in recent years, but DeMoura said he plans to make it harder to get one in the future. Gun owners may be concerned about protecting their license to carry weapons but DeMoura said he has to protect public safety. "I'm clearly going to change our process that allows individuals to readily get a firearms permit," he said. Gun owners can also get a Class B permit to carry an unloaded weapon in a locked box in the trunk of their vehicles, DeMoura said. Many of the licenses to carry concealed weapons are held in the city's most populous neighborhoods, DeMoura said. He plans to hold hearings during the renewal process in which gun owners would justify the need to carry a concealed weapon, DeMoura said. "We are not just going to give out firearm permits just because someone asks for one," DeMoura said. "Or if we do, we are going to be very stringent and follow the guidelines and very clearly, I'm not looking at having everyone who gets a license to carry and possess it on them." It was not immediately clear following the press conference how many gun owners have permits to carry concealed weapons. DeMoura Advertisement also announced he met with School Superintendent Andre Ravenelle and representatives from District Attorney Joseph D. Early Jr.'s office as well as other officials, looking at root causes for crime in the city on Wednesday. The meeting was arranged about a month ago, he said. DeMoura said he wants to bring together agencies responsible for oversight of youths to ensure their basic needs are met so they do not turn to crime. "That's what we're trying to do, bring different and unique programs to the city that actually look at the core of a problem that results in violence to the kid," he said after the press conference. "That if that's not taken care of, the kid could become more violent because he believes nobody cares for him ... those are the things you have to look at that causes a kid at some point to commit a violent act." __________________ Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But... Paramedics With Guns Scare People!

September 19th, 2009, 11:12 AM	#2
automatic slim Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The western edge of The Confederacy Posts: 1,223	Typical democrats, just looking for an excuse to infringe on someones rights. Mass SUCKS! __________________ "First gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand." Edge of Darkness

September 19th, 2009, 11:16 AM	#3
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 22,799	Wow! Not there's a smart police chief...some dirtbag shoots someone and he decides to take licenses away from good citizens, or at least make it more difficult for potential victims to protect themselves. Maybe he should also take the ability to protect one's self from his officers...can't be too careful you know. __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

September 19th, 2009, 11:27 AM	#4
BikerRN VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: State of Discombobulation Posts: 3,774	Police Chiefs serve at the pleasure of the Mayor or City Council. First, I would be looking into getting rid of whatever body appointed this moron. Then I would be looking into getting rid of the moron. No sense nipping off the flower, when the vine is still producing poisionous flowers, so to speak. Biker __________________ If I knew I was going to get in to a gunfight I most ceratinly wouln't bring a handgun or two, and I don't know any smart person that does.

September 19th, 2009, 12:13 PM	#5
tangoseal Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: WoodStock, Georgia Posts: 352	You want my reason to get a concealed permit.... el capitan! It's my unalienable right to inherent self defense. Now you are going to give me my permit or else you, me, my lawer, and a federal judge will simplify these matters in the supreme court. Where I will win and you will lose your career. __________________ "I believe that the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms must not be infringed if liberty in America is to survive." - Ronald Reagan

September 19th, 2009, 01:24 PM	#7
oldogy Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East TN&OH Posts: 216	All Y'all boys need to send him a paper upon which is written in very large letters, the second amendment. oldogy __________________ Government is out of control "If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- " Sen Orrin G. Hatch

September 19th, 2009, 02:00 PM	#8
mcp1810 VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 2,101	So let me get this straight. One of the deceased died from knife wounds. One of the deceased died from "multiple injuries" including a gunshot wound. The weapon involved belonged to a person that lives at the scene. And this could have been avoided by the person who lives there not being allowed to carry on the street? __________________ Waiting on the research and verification.......

September 19th, 2009, 06:39 PM	#9
AceHi Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 102	Unfortunately, Mass is a "may issue" state so it is up to the sole descretion of the county sheriff and he doesn't have to have a reason to deny you a permit. That's a big reason I wouldn't want to live there. __________________ NRA Life Member

September 20th, 2009, 02:23 AM	#10
Supertac45 VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan's U.P. Posts: 3,314	Moron? This guy has no clue on what the law is. __________________ Les Baer 45 Sig Man N.R.A. Patron Life Member M.C.R.G.O.

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