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PastorPack · September 24th, 2009, 12:32 PM

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Editorial: Ammunition sales should be checked statewide
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Thursday, Sep. 24, 2009

In 2008, the first year after the Sacramento City Council approved an ordinance requiring local gun dealers to record driver's license numbers and thumbprints of people who purchase ammunition, police were able to track 229 illegal ammunition purchases.

Some 173 convicted felons were among prohibited purchasers, including two people who had been in prison for murder and seven who had active restraining orders against them for domestic violence.

Of those 229 cases, 136 ended in criminal convictions. More importantly, scores of illegal guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition were taken from convicted criminals who were not supposed to have them.

Based on the success in Sacramento, Los Angeles, Oakland and other cities that have enacted similar ammunition registration ordinances, Los Angeles Assemblyman Kevin de León is hoping the governor will sign Assembly Bill 962. The proposed law would require all ammunition retailers in the state to get state identification and fingerprints from their customers.

This is a common-sense law-and-order measure. Convicted felons, people with violent mental health histories or domestic violence restraining orders against them are barred from possessing both firearms and ammunition. There are laws in place that require identity checks and waiting periods for gun purchases, but no such prevention measures guard against illegal ammunition purchases. That's a dangerous loophole the de León bill would close.

Schwarzenegger rejected a similar bill in 2004. In his veto message, he said because the federal government had already determined that ammunition registration "was simply unworkable and offered no public benefit."

The experience in Sacramento and elsewhere around the state shows he's wrong. AB 962 won't end gun violence, but it will make it harder for criminals to get ammunition. The governor should heed the advice of police chiefs in Oakland, Los Angeles and Sacramento and sign it.

This bill would also ban mail-order ammo sales!

The really crummy part of this is that the Governor has to actively VETO this by October 11th or it becomes law.
In anticipation of the Governator living up to his recent reputation of worthlessness, I have just ordered two spam cans of russian surplus.

automatic slim · September 24th, 2009, 12:55 PM

Using their own statistics, 40% of the illegal purchasers walked. Hardly an overwhelming conviction rate. Those that were convicted will be subject to what, time off for good behavior?

PastorPack · September 24th, 2009, 01:26 PM

There is something horribly wrong with the water or air in Sacramento, It seems that if you live there, statistics take on magical meaning.

I try to keep ammo out of the hands of criminals by BUYING IT FIRST!

jumpwing · September 24th, 2009, 02:59 PM

Suppressing the rights of millions of residents in order to catch ...how many criminals? 136?

The fact that these individuals were legally barred from purchasing ammo suggests that A) they've experienced revolving-door justice (which is a judicial problem, not an ammo problem) or B) they've been victimized by a zero-tolerance system by having their rights denied for something other than committing a violent crime. Let's face it, Kalifornia will yank your USC rights on a whim.

Well, at least we know that criminals will now have no way of getting ammo. Right? Right? Hello? Is this thing on...?

tiwee · September 24th, 2009, 07:56 PM

We lived there 1986 to 1990. Nice people. Nice weather. Terrible place to try to build or manufacture due to legal and regulatory climate. Made my decision to leave easy. It is their right to have the kind of government that they want, but it is not for me. We just have to make sure the federal government's power is curtailed, or we will all be in Kalifornia.

retsupt99 · September 24th, 2009, 11:23 PM

Why anyone would want to live in CA is beyond my thinking...

Eirerogue · September 24th, 2009, 11:34 PM

I've been here for two years. Marking the months until I can leave. If it wasn't for work and my last few years in the marketplace, I'd be gone already.

Rock and Glock · September 24th, 2009, 11:35 PM

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Why anyone would want to live in CA is beyond my thinking...

I agree 100% and just hope they don't migrate to Colorado, unless they bring guns, an appreciation for the Constitution and an anti-liberal attitude.

tangoseal · September 25th, 2009, 02:29 AM

I lived in San Diego for 10 years.

I now live in GA. Shows how much I give a puke about that crap bucket state.

So much beatuiful outdoors sigh I feel like I have been outlawed to leave the state literally and liberally.

bsnow · September 25th, 2009, 03:55 AM

We left that place 18 years ago, not going back.

September 24th, 2009, 12:55 PM	#2
automatic slim Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The western edge of The Confederacy Posts: 1,223	Using their own statistics, 40% of the illegal purchasers walked. Hardly an overwhelming conviction rate. Those that were convicted will be subject to what, time off for good behavior? __________________ "First gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand." Edge of Darkness

September 24th, 2009, 01:26 PM	#3
PastorPack Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,124	There is something horribly wrong with the water or air in Sacramento, It seems that if you live there, statistics take on magical meaning. I try to keep ammo out of the hands of criminals by BUYING IT FIRST! __________________ God is love (1 John 4:8)

September 24th, 2009, 02:59 PM	#4
jumpwing Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 376	Suppressing the rights of millions of residents in order to catch ...how many criminals? 136? The fact that these individuals were legally barred from purchasing ammo suggests that A) they've experienced revolving-door justice (which is a judicial problem, not an ammo problem) or B) they've been victimized by a zero-tolerance system by having their rights denied for something other than committing a violent crime. Let's face it, Kalifornia will yank your USC rights on a whim. Well, at least we know that criminals will now have no way of getting ammo. Right? Right? Hello? Is this thing on...? __________________ "The flock sleep peaceably in their pasture at night because Sheepdogs stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Last edited by jumpwing; September 25th, 2009 at 12:34 AM..

September 24th, 2009, 07:56 PM	#5
tiwee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozarks Posts: 1,021	We lived there 1986 to 1990. Nice people. Nice weather. Terrible place to try to build or manufacture due to legal and regulatory climate. Made my decision to leave easy. It is their right to have the kind of government that they want, but it is not for me. We just have to make sure the federal government's power is curtailed, or we will all be in Kalifornia. __________________ Amendment 2 advocate - Trying to explain the obvious to the oblivious.

September 24th, 2009, 11:23 PM	#6
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 22,799	Why anyone would want to live in CA is beyond my thinking... __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

September 24th, 2009, 11:34 PM	#7
Eirerogue Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 202	I've been here for two years. Marking the months until I can leave. If it wasn't for work and my last few years in the marketplace, I'd be gone already.

September 25th, 2009, 02:29 AM	#9
tangoseal Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: WoodStock, Georgia Posts: 352	I lived in San Diego for 10 years. I now live in GA. Shows how much I give a puke about that crap bucket state. So much beatuiful outdoors sigh I feel like I have been outlawed to leave the state literally and liberally. __________________ "I believe that the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms must not be infringed if liberty in America is to survive." - Ronald Reagan

September 25th, 2009, 03:55 AM	#10
bsnow Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: montana Posts: 113	We left that place 18 years ago, not going back.

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