Good (very interesting)

jbum · October 25th, 2009, 12:08 PM

Found this on another forum.

Felonious behavior is becoming more dangerous, if two recent incidents are any indication.

During a home invasion on Oct. 5, one of the intruders was shot and killed by one of the occupants of the mobile home.

And an armed assailant is recovering from wounds after he was shot Oct. 13 by one of the people he was attempting to herd into a building housing law offices on East Capitol Avenue.

In the first case, the weapon was kept in the home, which always has been allowed to defend people and property.

In the second incident, the assailant was shot by someone who qualifies under the conceal and carry law.

Sheriff Greg White is a proponent of the conceal and carry law, passed by lawmakers in 2003 after Missouri voters rejected a similar law in 1999.

The law requires people to attain a standard of proficiency with weapons before they are permitted to carry a concealed gun. Proponents of the law believe it offers a greater sense of security and decreases crime by prompting felons to consider the consequences of armed confrontation.

We confess to harboring some reservations about the concealed carry law. Our fear was an increase in guns in public would result in more guns being displayed prematurely and/or more accidents.

White said recently: “All the fears over conceal and carry have never manifested.”

We concede the point.

Anecdotal evidence does not suggest an increase in accidents or unprovoked gunplay.

The evidence, however, does show people defending themselves from harm.

The message being sent to felons is don't bring a weapon to a crime unless you're prepared to accept the risk.

News Tribune - Local News

msgt/ret · October 25th, 2009, 12:22 PM

Excellent editorial, it’s great to see a newspaper admit they were wrong.

Patti · October 25th, 2009, 01:18 PM

Wow. Great article.

Missouri had a huge struggle to pass a concealed carry law. It originally failed in 1999. It took a Republican-controlled legislature to recognize the rights of citizens and approve similar legislation in 2003.
At the time, the Democratic Governor Mel Carnahan vetoed the bill after it was passed by the legislature. But the legislature over-rode the veto.

I remember the national attention was centered on Missouri at the time. Opponents were Handgun Control, Inc., the Clinton/Gore administration, Governor Carnahan and his daughter (Robyn), US Attorney General Janet Reno, State Auditor Claire McCaskill. Robyn Carnahan chaired the Safe Schools and Workplaces Committee (SSWC) and orchestrated television ads against the proposition. Even First Lady Hillary Clinton video taped an ad condemning Proposition B.

It was a huge struggle for Missourians to prevail against these heavy hitters.

A huge thank you to pro 2A activities: Tim Oliver, Kevin Jamison, Steve McGhee, Greg Jeffrey, John Ross, and of course: THE NRA who contributed $3 million to help pass Prop B.

DaveH · October 25th, 2009, 01:27 PM

News Tribune

When I see the Roanoke Times run this type story, I'll know the tide has turned.

BTW -- What,s "lesssons"? A lesson in why a paper might needs a spell checker?

Ram Rod · October 25th, 2009, 01:28 PM

Quote:

The message being sent to felons is don't bring a weapon to a crime unless you're prepared to accept the risk.

Well put. I'm also glad I can carry in MO, and they reciprocate with my home state. Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas are my favorite places.

digitalexplr · October 25th, 2009, 03:58 PM

For those who do not know the whole story of the incident on East Capitol Ave, the ccw holder who stopped the BG did so at great cost to himself. He took three rounds from the BG, both hands and chest. Inspite of that he got a shot off with is .45 hitting the BG in the hand causing him to run from the scene.

The GG is home from the hospital and recovery. He had to have his one hand pretty well rebuilt. How well he will regain full use only time will tell.

It is believe the BG planned on shooting the victims after robbing them. The GG put his life on the line to protect his friends and paid a price - but they ALL lived!

retsupt99 · October 25th, 2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbum

White said recently: “All the fears over conceal and carry have never manifested.”

We concede the point.

Anecdotal evidence does not suggest an increase in accidents or unprovoked gunplay.

The evidence, however, does show people defending themselves from harm.

The message being sent to felons is don't bring a weapon to a crime unless you're prepared to accept the risk.

News Tribune - Local News

And I agree...

RMS · October 25th, 2009, 05:31 PM

It would be nice if others could see the light and follow their lead.

DreadPirate · October 25th, 2009, 05:51 PM

Thanks for posting this!

CenCal · October 25th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Great Post. Interesting Read.

October 25th, 2009, 12:08 PM	#1
jbum Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dandridge Tennessee Posts: 504	Good (very interesting) Found this on another forum. Felonious behavior is becoming more dangerous, if two recent incidents are any indication. During a home invasion on Oct. 5, one of the intruders was shot and killed by one of the occupants of the mobile home. And an armed assailant is recovering from wounds after he was shot Oct. 13 by one of the people he was attempting to herd into a building housing law offices on East Capitol Avenue. In the first case, the weapon was kept in the home, which always has been allowed to defend people and property. In the second incident, the assailant was shot by someone who qualifies under the conceal and carry law. Sheriff Greg White is a proponent of the conceal and carry law, passed by lawmakers in 2003 after Missouri voters rejected a similar law in 1999. The law requires people to attain a standard of proficiency with weapons before they are permitted to carry a concealed gun. Proponents of the law believe it offers a greater sense of security and decreases crime by prompting felons to consider the consequences of armed confrontation. We confess to harboring some reservations about the concealed carry law. Our fear was an increase in guns in public would result in more guns being displayed prematurely and/or more accidents. White said recently: “All the fears over conceal and carry have never manifested.” We concede the point. Anecdotal evidence does not suggest an increase in accidents or unprovoked gunplay. The evidence, however, does show people defending themselves from harm. The message being sent to felons is don't bring a weapon to a crime unless you're prepared to accept the risk. News Tribune - Local News __________________ PT145 MIL PRO MOSSBERG 500 CRUISER S&W 638 THUNDER .380 NRA MEMBER

October 25th, 2009, 12:22 PM	#2
msgt/ret Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,020	Excellent editorial, it’s great to see a newspaper admit they were wrong. __________________ When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."

October 25th, 2009, 01:18 PM	#3
Patti Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Missouri, The Show Me State Posts: 1,170	Wow. Great article. Missouri had a huge struggle to pass a concealed carry law. It originally failed in 1999. It took a Republican-controlled legislature to recognize the rights of citizens and approve similar legislation in 2003. At the time, the Democratic Governor Mel Carnahan vetoed the bill after it was passed by the legislature. But the legislature over-rode the veto. I remember the national attention was centered on Missouri at the time. Opponents were Handgun Control, Inc., the Clinton/Gore administration, Governor Carnahan and his daughter (Robyn), US Attorney General Janet Reno, State Auditor Claire McCaskill. Robyn Carnahan chaired the Safe Schools and Workplaces Committee (SSWC) and orchestrated television ads against the proposition. Even First Lady Hillary Clinton video taped an ad condemning Proposition B. It was a huge struggle for Missourians to prevail against these heavy hitters. A huge thank you to pro 2A activities: Tim Oliver, Kevin Jamison, Steve McGhee, Greg Jeffrey, John Ross, and of course: THE NRA who contributed $3 million to help pass Prop B. __________________ Marxism game plan = Make 51% of Americas population dependent upon the fed govt for its subsistence, bribe their vote, keep themselves in power & keep the remaining portion of Americas productive population enslaved to pay the bills.

October 25th, 2009, 01:27 PM	#4
DaveH VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 2,395	News Tribune When I see the Roanoke Times run this type story, I'll know the tide has turned. BTW -- What,s "lesssons"? A lesson in why a paper might needs a spell checker? __________________ Μολὼν λαβέ I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL BTW -- I am neither a lawyer, nor I do not play one on television or on the Internet. I hope no one assumes that I am giving legal advice Veni, Vidi, Velcro

October 25th, 2009, 03:58 PM	#6
digitalexplr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jefferson City, MO Posts: 658	For those who do not know the whole story of the incident on East Capitol Ave, the ccw holder who stopped the BG did so at great cost to himself. He took three rounds from the BG, both hands and chest. Inspite of that he got a shot off with is .45 hitting the BG in the hand causing him to run from the scene. The GG is home from the hospital and recovery. He had to have his one hand pretty well rebuilt. How well he will regain full use only time will tell. It is believe the BG planned on shooting the victims after robbing them. The GG put his life on the line to protect his friends and paid a price - but they ALL lived! __________________ XD9sc XD40 Service Mossberg 590a1 NRA Life Member

October 25th, 2009, 05:31 PM	#8
RMS Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: West KY Posts: 359	It would be nice if others could see the light and follow their lead.

October 25th, 2009, 05:51 PM	#9
DreadPirate Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 24	Booyah!!! Thanks for posting this! __________________ NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor & Range Safety Officer NC Concealed Carry Handgun Instructor "I am no one to be trifled with." - DPR Esse quam videri.

October 25th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#10
CenCal Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Central California Posts: 194	Great Post. Interesting Read.

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