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Old November 2nd, 2009, 12:21 AM   #51
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Without meaning to you have have acceeded to my point. It was necessary to amend the Constitution to include those that the BOR forgot. The fundamental principal alluded to in the BOR did not recognize individuals of all callings and races. We later (not very much later though) amended the principals expressed to include everybody. My point was that the original 10 Amendments later had to be expressed in other terms to prove effective. We to many times give our forefathers Saintly status. The truth is (with some notable exceptions) they were for the most part landed aristocracy and gentry who did not even think about the rights of all. The BOR is a magnificent work, but it wasn't originally supported by the majority of the signers of the Constitution. Only a vigorous fight by a small minority of people (Jefferson, Franklin and Washington were leaders) got it accepted as part of the constitution and then it had to be separate amendments. To project that the founders intended the second amendment to mean all of us should be armed is to disregard history. I believe the right to defend ones self is a GOD-given right, one of the inalienable rights set forth in the Declaration of Independence. I am not fixated on the legal arguments of the 2dA because it is so limited in its scope. I sincerely feel that it is my right as a free man, period. Luckily, for me, my state, Tennessee, agrees to that principle at least to the extent that I can carry a weapon to defend myself. If you live in a state that does not allow you to carry a weapon for self-defense, there is a controlling "aristocracy" keeping you disarmed and in my opinion you are not a free man.
Actually I think you missed my point.

The point was that the if the Founders got it wrong they got in wrong on the side of too narrowly defining who the freedoms and liberties expressed in the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights applied to. The more recent attempt to more narrowly define those rights and freedoms are contrary to the fundament principles expressed in our founding documents. The fact a relative few (central figures during time) understood the shortcoming doesn't diminish the importance of those principles and the idea that they should be most liberally applied.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 12:49 AM   #52
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The US Constitution doesn't apply principles to anyone, anywhere. It's a binding legal document outlining the limitations of government(s).
Semantics, and not what I said or implied.

I understand the rights exist, and that the Constitution's purpose was to put into writing the structure of and limitations on government. So did the founders.

I meant my words to be inferred in this way, since exactitude is required: the original Constitutional 2A wording acknowledged the preexisting right of all people to own and carry arms, and to specifically limit government's futzing via the "shall not be infringed" phrase.
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Rights given to us by the Almighty.....

Given by the Creator, written down for all to see.....but....we had to go and screw that up too.

Constitution states the limitations of Government....I wish someone would mail a copy to Washington, the original that's on display has faded a bit....But I got a good picture of it...(see photo left)
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