teccles

This was posted on the KSCCW forum.....A forum dedicated to concealed carry in Kansas. I thought you might find this interesting....

/www.ksccw.com/site/showthread.php?t=6209

zacii

Is anyone really surprised that this happened? Frankly, I'm not.

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teccles

I'm not either....I am actually surprised that we haven't heard more about these kind of situations happening....

DaveH

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retsupt99

It works for me.

To the OP...
I hope that this ends up costing the Greensburg city and PD enough money to break their bank.

This crap is what I fear in a national emergency...created or otherwise.

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Bark'n

That right there is some scary stuff!

I am damn proud that there was one family willing to take a stand. But what would have been the price paid?

Thank God there was a lone KBI agent who intervened with a cooler head. But in the midst of a disaster, when people are rattled, scared, and chaos all around, it seems the Government doesn't care about that, they just want the guns!

We Are Living In Dangerous Times!

Kansas did not have an "Emergency Powers Law" (Katrina Law) in place at the time which forbids gun confiscation of homeowners weapons. I don't know if they have one yet.

My State does have a "Katrina Law!" But what does that really mean? If they come to confiscate your guns after a disaster and your State has a law which prohibits it, are you covered if you shoot an overzealous Govt. Agent who threatens you at gunpoint?

I seriously doubt it!

But he is trying to enforce an illegal order! Doesn't that in fact make him a criminal? Or a looter?

Just where exactly do people stand?

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tiwee

I don't know what happened in Greensburg or what the law is in Kansas. In my Missouri town while I was mayor, we had two FEMA/SEMA type emergencies. A tornado and a prolonged ice storm - power outage, trees down, lines down, winter mess.

As mayor, I declared states of emergency per state law. My declaration specifics were up to me. They were different for each situation.

For instance on the tornado, I blocked off the areas of town hit by the tornado from visitors. No one but residents and their guests could get in without a pass from the fire department. It was up to the residents whether they stayed home or not. Most left someone behind to watch the house/neighborhood. The general power outage resulted in a night time curfew until the power was restored.

The ice storm resulted in a general power outage. The emergency declaration was a night time curfew. The emergency declarations were written and signed and nailed to the door of city hall. Copies given to the police and responders. That simple.

Both night time curfews were enforced by the police in the manner they saw fit. Basically, the police chief wanted the power to keep nonresidents out of town. So that is how it was used. If they found locals out with good reason, they were allowed to do their business. However, if a nonresident was discovered in town after dark, they were escorted out of town under penalty of arrest.

Everything went very well. Local elected mayors have more control than they think. You don't have to cede control of the civil apparatus to any state or federal government agency unless you want.

Here in Missouri, the state emergency management agency is very helpful and professional. They make sure you have anything you want and not one thing that you don't want. They asked me at all times if I wanted any kind of assistance. The other state agencies such as the highway patrol and highway department came in and did the traffic control on the highways. Nothing was forced down our throat. FEMA came by and with SEMA explained how to keep the records necessary for our town to obtain what help we could after the recovery. SEMA was especially helpful with guidance on how to clean up the mess and document it so we could get every bit of financial assistance available.

Under mutual aid agreements that I had negotiated with our neighbor cities in Missouri we had utility crews and street departments clearing streets and restoring services. The point is the local elected executive is in charge unless he or she gives up control. The other point is the plans and agreements have to be in place before the emergency. In this day and age, legal and liability issues have to be specified in advance with written contracts to keep everybody safe.

It helps if you have competent local officials that have the sense to plan for emergencies, helpful state agencies, and the support of your community. In other words, if you ban outsiders from destroyed neighborhoods, the local volunteers that man the roadblocks have got to be willing to do that at your request. The community has to be willing to accept a night time curfew. Almost all of this is up to the residents and local voters. So if you have crappy outcomes in government, look in the collective mirror. The problem is with the voter and the kind of leaders they elect.

I also think it was amusing when the rubberneckers and out of town crooks bucked the ban from the damaged neighborhoods. People say the dumbest things, like you can't keep me from public streets. This is a free country. etc. My response was try me. Nobody did. Even with all of this, some scam artist got two hundred dollars cash from an eighty year old widow to clean up her yard. He went to get his truck and never returned. So, in spite of all you do in a disaster, the criminal element always gets a little from the misery of others. This applies to government criminals and civilian criminals.

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Tint Bob

That link does not work for me, could it be blocked as I am in the UK??

Tint Bob

Backroad

Not working for me either.

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chenemf

The Greensburg tornado was in May 2007 and there are a couple of updates to the story.

1st - the NRA refutes the intial claims of illegal gun grabs.

NRA-ILA :: Update on Greensburg, Kansas

2nd - Kansas passed a bill to prohibit illegal gun grabs (making an illegal action more illegal?) which was signed by then governor (and anti-gun enthusiast) Kathleen Sebelius (current Secretary of Health and Human Services)

NRA-ILA :: Kansas Governor Signs Two Pro-Gun Bills into Law!

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