tiwee

Everyone who applies and qualifies. Many would not have a permit. Many would not carry that had permits. The criminals, however, would not know who was and who wasn't. That is the idea.

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paramedic70002

I know lots of civilians who are in high stress situations daily but somehow manage to NOT shoot each other.

I do not advocate every soldier required to keep his rifle slung and loaded but we certainly have the opportunity here to be reasonable.

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Daddy Warcrimes

So we will need to consider:
What categories of people will be able to apply.

Under what situations will the endorsement be invalid?

Service members are probably the first category we should look at, then civilian employees, the family members residing in government housing, then contractors, then unaffiliated visitors.

Anyone not eligible to purchase a handgun should be denied. No felons, adjudicated mental defectives, anyone under 21, and domestic violence convicts.

I agree that in some situations, carry should be prohibited. Military in an initial entry status are the first to come to mind. Any time that they are armed for the performance of their duties, privately owned weapons should be forbidden. This of course would have to be written carefully else commanders would daily issue M-16s with no ammo just to keep Johnny from packing.

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Recon4Life2

Here is my two cents...First off I'm in the Army and I have my permit. Second, the wonderful state of GA allows you to carry with your military ID as your weapons permit so you don't even have to apply for one here. Also I know a lot of service members who have permits. It all comes down to the federal laws. When I was a Drill Sergeant at Ft. knox, at least one DS per platoon had a Nine mil with them to protect the Soldiers/wpns. Plus we carry our wpns everywhere we go when we're deployed, so why can't we do it in the states? We can be trusted and aloud to protect ourselves over there, but not at home? This horrific shooting at Hood, should open peoples eyes. We wear American Flags on our shoulders to show that we are at war, yet we have to just sit back and watch our brothers and sisters in arms be murdered in our own land.

tiwee

Recon is correct. Hundreds of thousands of American GIs have carried locked and loaded in free fire zones for decades. General disorder and mayhem did not occur. Our group did not kill each other.

A winning military changes tactics to meet different threats. There is a new threat today on our gun free federal installations. It is time we got some leadership from those responsible for the lives of the men and women on their installations. Let's do something sooner rather than later to make it unsafe for those that would kill us and our children on our own bases.

My wife and I go on base every month or so. For the long trip there and back and while on post, we are without self protection. My son is a civilian working on a military installation. He is unable to protect himself to and from work and while working. Why should any of us have to take the risk? My son has security clearances that I never even knew existed. How is it he cannot be trusted to carry self protection.

Many military and civilians have or had security clearances. The background investigations for those clearances are extensive and thorough. Certainly enough to merit a concealed carry chit. There are so many ways to get this done. However, it takes courageous people who are not career first types of commanders.

Somewhere out there is a flag officer that cares more for the people in his or her command than for that next star. Some flag officer out there is willing to be the first to show that concealed carry on base will not destroy good order and discipline. Some flag officer out there knows the citizens that conceal carry have not turned the streets and towns of our country into blood baths. Some flag officer out there knows that, had five or ten people been concealed carriers at Ft Hood's tragedy, the toll would have been less. Somewhere is a commander willing to try something new in the face of changing threat stateside.

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rangefinder

I'm retired USN (20yrs) and work on a USAF base (civil service). My job sometimes requires me to report at odd hours for urgent to emergency situations. Normally I don't go about at o'dark thirty unless absolutely necessary and then I definitely carry.

But at o'dark thirty from house to base I'm defenseless.

I have a security clearance, a CHL, and almost 40 years of military/federal service.

I would not object to carrying concealed or in the open while on base. I felt less secure after the shooting a Langely, VA when that guy walked the road to CIA HQ shooting people with an AK. I feel less secure when in queue at 0700, in the dark, waiting to get on base and I and my co-workers are sitting ducks. It's a shame that the military expects us to protect the American people but we are not allowed to defend ourselves.

Paul1201

I am currently active duty and deal wirth the Army's PC CYA mentality daily. The easy way to do this is that anyone who permanent party at the installation should be able to carry in accordance with state law (I.e. national parks in Feb 2010). Anyone on a training status will continue as now with checking weapons into the armory. The higher security areas on post (headquarters, ammo depot, intelligence areas) would be off limits except for parking lots outside of the secure area.

Stevew

Our soldiers and sailors are forced into a position where they cannot protect themselves on the way to work and returning home. This is common knowledge. They are good enough to go overseas and put theirself in harms ways for all of the world, but are sitting ducks while state side. Houston, we have a problem.

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Damion

i came up with an idea that might work and still allow commanders control on post so here it is please tell me what you think:

1. soldiers wanting to carry on post must have a valid ccw for that state.

2. you must attend a post/base safety class and qualifiey at military standards on the weapon or weapons you will or would be carrying

3. must have writen promission from you battlion commander 0-5 and above to carry

4. ANY ucmj action can cause you to lose the right to carry on post by the command of your batalion commander for any length of time .

5. you must surender your weapon when order to by anyone in your chain of command when reciving punishment of any kind .

6. where you can and cant carry is still determinded by the post commander

7. NO CIVILAN may carry on post with out the same prosess completed in lue of a commander a CIVILAN post rep will have to sign off on them carrying .

your thought please

SPC.Castro

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Daddy Warcrimes

1. Some states do not require a license, and many recognize out of state licenses. May issue and non-issue states would also render this useless in many places. I'd prefer to see reasonable universal standards of issue.

2. I don't want to limit this to major military installations. I'm actually quite a bit more concerned about recruiters, and reserve component troops who are assigned outside of the "secure" areas.

3. With this requirement, we might as well not even bother. If commanders were interested in allowing troops to defend themselves, service members would already be armed.

4 and 5 sound good.

6. This would also render this endeavor pointless. Commanders would declare the entire installation off limits. The post CDR in Alaska declared no carry for his entire command, on or off post.

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